23 Sponsors/Contact Info - Howie is Ernie's Very Own Principal Rooney (the Guy in Ferris Beuller)

Just a matter of curiosity (6.00 / 1)

EB3, long before the current spectacle I wondered about your choice of alias.  Have you ever explained why you chose it?

Not that I'm complaining -- it certainly is making the story more interesting -- but your current noble cause would of course be more straightforward if you hadn't added this intentional confusion.  

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by: StephGM @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 14:20:13 PM CDT

uh (6.00 / 1)

cuz it's funny?

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by: GoldsteinGoneWild @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 20:53:25 PM CDT

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E3- this gets weirder and weirder (6.00 / 1)

As you and the BMG community know, I post as myself.  Always.  One of the upsides to being self-employed is that I am not going to fire me - and my clients know who I am, like my being tough and compassionate and count on me to be a fighter - so as long as most of my clients are ok with me being me, I have a business.

So while I have gone without paid vacation and sick days since 1981 - and a pension and healthcare [I have neither] would be nice, freedom to be honest, fight the good fight, and tell the truth as I see it counts for a lot with me.

Unlike Howie, I don't have to shill for products that claim to remove intestinal spackle (yecch).

Hey - I even got a former rep to hand deliver Howie a Menotomy Moonbat T-shirt and invite him to take a turn in the fundraising dunk tank last year at our Town Day - but he never had the courtesy to say thank you for the shirt and invitation.  I bet the dunk tank would have broken records as a fund raising tool.

Oh well - hang tough, E3 - you and I have butted heads at times but are adult enough to agree to disagree rather than waste time on personal attacks.

Howie?  Hey, personal attacks are what that pusillanimous man does.

Deborah Sirotkin Butler
AmberPaw dot @aol.com

"Failure to plan is planning to fail."
Proverb

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by: AmberPaw @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 14:20:44 PM CDT

Ernie Boch, Jr (0.00 / 0)

I've sent an email to all of Howies sponsors. I hope this goes somewhere. I'm still shocked that Carr bashed Sen Kennedy on the day of his passing. Who did Carr think he was offending? The Senator was gone, so that leaves his family. How lonely, angry and confused Carr must be. As for Boch Jr? This guy is so stuck on himself I'm surprised he gets dressed in the morning. Maybe once Carr is gone we should start a boycott of all Boch Motors.  

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by: LarryTheLiberal @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 14:21:37 PM CDT

Isn't EB3 just a little like Howie? (6.00 / 1)

I honestly don't know, since I've never heard Howie on the radio.  But from what I've gleaned from coverage of him in print and web media, Carr's hallmark is meanness and insensitivity in order to achieve a provocative effect; and this is a trait we see from time to time in EB3.

One key difference may be that EB3 occasionally gets a spanking or time out and returns better behaved?

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by: StephGM @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:51:31 PM CDT

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Stunningly classless (0.00 / 0)

Two grand is probably not enough to cause a stampede, but there could be some crazies.

It's probably a joke to Howie, but it's pretty serious, and it's terribly damaging to freedom of the press.

Where is the Globe on this?

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by: JimC @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 15:53:24 PM CDT

I am Ernie Boch III ! (6.00 / 3)

I am Ernie Boch III !

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by: kirth @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 20:23:08 PM CDT

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I am Ernie Boch III ! (6.00 / 3)

I am Ernie Boch III !

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by: NeilSagan @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 20:24:24 PM CDT

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I am Ernie Boch III (6.00 / 3)

I am Ernie Boch 3!  

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by: Striker57 @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:12:54 PM CDT

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Let's stage the EB# Howie call-in hour (0.00 / 0)

Like others I have my disagreements with EB 3's posts but this attack is plain stupid (and dangerous). Perhaps what is needed is a BMG call in to Howie where we can all claim to be EB 3 (send me the money Jr!)

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by: Striker57 @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:16:51 PM CDT

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there's only one solution (0.00 / 0)

We need to play a round of To Tell The Truth!

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by: Jasiu @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 22:04:58 PM CDT

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Funny, not ha-ha funny (6.00 / 2)

It seems we are rallying around EB3. Whodda thunk.

Insert "United We Stand" cliche here.

PS. I'm more sticking up for BMG Admin. Don't be a rat, BMG.

A consensus formed from the echo of parrots, is no consensus.
I'm Jack Mitchell and I'm confused by this message.

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by: John from Lowell @ Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 10:49:59 AM CDT

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sorry to do this to you, EBIII (6.00 / 3)

but i'm really low on cash right now, and could use the $2K.

the true identity of ernie boch III is . . . .

ted williams' severed head.

(i'm sorry! i know you said that you wanted to lay low, and just keep everything cool. but i really need the dough. cable bill is due next week. i hope that we can still be friends.)

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by: fairdeal @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 16:19:12 PM CDT

Getting the word out (6.00 / 1)

http://www.bluenewstribune.com...

I think other people here with personal blogs should do the same. We may laugh at this (and I hope we do, sooner rather than later), but the implications of paying someone to "expose" a blogger's identity are pretty serious.

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by: JimC @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 16:24:37 PM CDT

Sorta like a Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (6.00 / 2)

remade by frat boys in blue blazers sipping Chivas on the rocks.  

Geez, these people really need to lighten up.  

Let's hope Georgia O'Keeffe doesn't have any kin hating me on this site.  

Perhaps you could have some fun at these people's expense?  Raise a little money for your favorite politician with a "Rename Ernie Contest"?  

Something like:

eebeethree
rrnee bach cubed

_____

You get the idea.

Hang in there.  lol.  

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by: lightiris @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 16:39:56 PM CDT

Always Thought You Were More Like (6.00 / 1)

Abe Froman, The Sausage King of Chicago!

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by: Atticus @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 18:15:56 PM CDT

With Any Luck (0.00 / 0)

Howie will end up like the actor who played Mister Rooney....

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by: Atticus @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 18:17:45 PM CDT

Time For tranparency in Blogging (4.00 / 1)

I suggest that persons who want to Blog use their real names.  Thereis nothing more frustrating than witness people who Blog from the Left or right do so under false impressions.

Persons who made statements about others should at least identify who they are.

If someone wnats to do a campaign against another, do it openly not on personalities but on issues.

Time for a code of conduct and ethics on the internet.

Blogging has given many who report on accountability and oversight lacking funds to advocate as a means to respond especially the print and broadcast media that allow comments on their internet pages.

Ernie Boch lll can do what he does but should do so openly. The Howie guy Ernie Boch Jr has a valid position and response to state that Ernie Boch lll is not him or a famiily member.

Those who report improprieties in Government, Business, and labor must be supported and encouraged in their efforts.


The decline in the media has limited investigative reporting and is a most serious challenge to Free Speech.

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by: John Gatti Jr @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 18:43:59 PM CDT

Not very convincing (6.00 / 1)

"Who do so under false impressions" -- I'm not even sure what that means, but I'm going to guess that you mean misleading people.

There's nothing inherently misleading about anonymity.

It should come down to free speech. Are the blogger's comments valid? Are they libelous? Sure, one could use anonymity as a way to avoid libel, but there's no instance of that occurring that I'm aware of.

People -- I'm not saying you -- who talk about transparency are really concerned about what's being said. They wouldn't be less concerned if the posts were signed with real names.

In this case, what purpose is served by "exposing" EBIII? What harm is he doing? This is plain harassment by powerful people. Like I said, maybe they think it's a joke, but it's shameful behavior.

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by: JimC @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 19:12:25 PM CDT

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While its not transparent, it's not anoymous either (4.00 / 1)

it's pseodonymous.

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by: NeilSagan @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 19:39:56 PM CDT

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Is that relevant here? (0.00 / 0)

I'd say anything short of synonymous (if Ernie called himself Ernie Boch Jr.) should be protected.
 

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by: JimC @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 19:51:00 PM CDT

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i agree. (0.00 / 0)

i have no objection to pseodonymous posting.  

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by: NeilSagan @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 20:22:07 PM CDT

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Is it John Gatti, Jr or John Gotti, Jr? (0.00 / 0)

n/t

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by: HLPeary @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:33:50 PM CDT

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I Thought You Were (0.00 / 0)

Vito Corleone.

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by: Atticus @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:23:42 AM CDT

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Come On... (0.00 / 0)

you are really Vito Corleone.

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by: Atticus @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 23:51:22 PM CDT

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I accept Crticism that is Correct-Please (3.50 / 2)

I have spent a career exposing waste, fraud, and abuse in Government, Business, and Labor.  I am the architect of the Massachusetts Public Employee Whistleblower Legislation. Look at my record  whether on the Blog Dig or Healthcare Faud as examples of what I have done.  During my career, I have helped conscientious sincere citizens that are sources by  protecting them and their families when coming forward.

Therefore, I have a problem when people accuse others by not revealing who they are and if legitimate. Using a BLOG name that insinuates and can be taken wrong is not morally ethical.  There are various whislteblower and advocacy groups who try to do the same when a person comes forward to expose improprieties or wrongdoing.

If Ernie Block 111 is so afraid to come forward, he should provide his comments to credible advocates of his position and let them come forward.

Those who report improprieties in Government, Business, and labor must be supported and encouraged in their efforts.


The decline in the media has limited investigative reporting and is a most serious challenge to Free Speech.

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by: John Gatti Jr @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 11:42:43 AM CDT

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what's "not morally ethical" about anonymity? (0.00 / 0)

You haven't really explained that.

It would be one thing if one were to make anonymous charges based on privileged information (e.g. I have personal knowledge that so-and-so did such and such), but when you are talking about public facts, what difference does it really make who you are? Readers should be extremely wary about anyone claiming inside information whether they state their name or not, and indeed people making such claims here usually get jumped on pretty quickly.

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by: HR's Kevin @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 11:59:45 AM CDT

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I sometimes worry (0.00 / 0)

that someday a potential employer is going to figure out that JoeTS is me and toss my resume on the scrapheap.

Meh, life is full of risks.  

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by: JoeTS @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:11:47 PM CDT

Joan Vennochi weighs in on Ernie .. Sunday Globe (6.00 / 1)

Joan's op ed.

The blogger, who goes by the handle "Ernie Boch III'', got results. Some advertisers started getting calls asking them to stop sponsoring Carr's show. Unhappy advertisers, in turn, called Ernie Boch Jr., the car dealer, thinking that he must be related to the blogger. He isn't.

In response to criticism of this attack by pseudonym, "Ernie'' blogged: "Stay focused people. The issue is not about who started the boycott. The issue is Howie Carr.''

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by: johnk @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 21:39:52 PM CDT

money quote (6.00 / 2)

"Ernie's'' critique of Carr's act as a generally mean, narrow-minded, liberal-hating, chauvinist and homophobe is accurate. He could also add Globe basher.

But, everyone knows exactly what Carr is trying to do: shock and awe his readers with outrageous opinions. And Carr doesn't hide his bitterness behind a pseudonym. His agenda is clear: readers and ratings.

"Ernie's'' is much more of a mystery.

Ernie doesn't hide his fealings or intentions either. In Ernie's line of work, you can't be a "generally mean, narrow-minded, liberal-hating, chauvinist and homophobe" and still get paid. Unless Ernie and Howie are more closely related than I think.

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by: NeilSagan @ Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 23:58:33 PM CDT

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comment posted on opinion peice (6.00 / 3)

bidemytime wrote:

"But the issue is also the Internet's ability to give cover to critics who don't have to do what Carr does - own their opinions."

Carr has to own his opinions because he's paid to do so -- and quite handsomely, I might add. If he can't take the heat, there are cooler kitchens into which he can relocate.

As for the call to boycott, if Carr is to truly own his opinion, then he should always be able to defend it in print and with his sponsors. And his defense won't be against an anonymous blogger, but against public opinion and substantiated fact.

If he can't sufficiently defend them, then eventually he'll be out of work, but that's life in the big city. However, I won't cry for him... if he didn't save enough to retire by now, he can own that too.

Just my opinion :)
10/3/2009 11:39 PM EDT

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by: NeilSagan @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 00:23:26 AM CDT

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Kudos to Joan Vennochi for weighing in (0.00 / 0)

And a boo for pushing the anonymity angle.

I think the money quote is Ernie's reply:

"Ernie Boch III is a character created to express opinion. Anonymity of its author is a red herring when the opinions are not such as yelling fire in a crowded theater, and are based on fact. The anonymity allows the author freedom from being handcuffed by outside attack if his or her writings gain a following. It is the words within the four corners of the writing that count. Not who the author is. If there are any biases they do not matter when non-biased people agree with the opinion based on facts."

Good answer, Ernie. Meanwhile, I am trademarking "Erniegate" as soon as the US Trademark Office opens in the morning.

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by: JimC @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:20:15 AM CDT

One more thing (6.00 / 2)

LOVE HIM or hate him, Howie Carr puts his name over his rantings.

That's not true of the blogger on Bluemassgroup.com who called upon readers to boycott Carr's WRKO radio show and its advertisers.

This is a false equivalence. Everyone in journalism wants a column; a column is the bully pulpit where you are freed from the restrictions placed on reporters. Describing the signing of the column as a burden (or in this case, the hosting of the radio show) is like saying a politician would be happier just doing their job without public recognition. It's nonsense.

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by: JimC @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 06:28:00 AM CDT