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Why Charlie Baker is the next Governor of MA

by: jconway

Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 16:43:22 PM EST


(Interesting, although I disagree with the headline and the conclusion. Even more to the point, I think, and missing in this analysis, is that Corzine failed to lower property taxes, as he suggested he might (Governor Patrick and the legislature, of course, actually raised them). That's why Christie won, I suggest. The Governor and Doug Rubin et al certainly have their work cut out for them, but likely will prevail. - promoted by Bob)

The race in NJ has a lot of interesting implications for next years gubernatorial election right here in MA. We saw that in spite of every conceivable advantage, a deeply blue state, fundraising, star power in the form of Obama and Clinton support, an unpopular Democratic governor still lost to his Republican opponent-one who was fairly to the right of the NJ electorate on a host of issues (taxes, abortion, stem cells, gay rights). What does this mean for MA?

Four things

jconway :: Why Charlie Baker is the next Governor of MA

1) The election will be about the incumbent

In spite of Corzine's best efforts to make the election a referendum on Christie, it still ended up being about him. All that Baker has to do is be vague on the specifics and simply say look at the record-I could do better. If Deval goes negative early he risks decreasing his popularity further and also risks looking like an old politician as opposed to an Axelrod hopemongering one, which will also drive down the support among his base.

Swing voters, as they did in NJ, will gravitate to the only viable alternative.

2) Cahill won't be a factor

Just like Chris Dagget looked like he was going to re-elect Corzine we saw that on election day his support overwhelmingly went to the established alternative in Christie. Voters disliked Corzine so much they refused to throw their vote away on Dagget. Dagget is smarter, more charismatic, and was more well known then Tim Cahill. He also had more grassroots support and better fundraising.

In my opinion Tim made a big mistake not going after Deval in the primary (where he had a decent shot IMO) and has made himself politically irrelevant. These early polls don't matter-on election day the undecides and all but his most committed supporters will swing to Baker.

3) Corruption scandals will be linked to the Governor

Corzine was irreparably damaged by a series of massive corruption scandals involving state legislators and mayors, all with Ds next to their name. Despite his attempts to paint himself as a technocrat above the fray of Jersey politics, Corzine still suffered guilt by association. Similarly Deval will be saddled with more corruption scandals on Beacon Hill. The timing of the eventual indictment and imprisonment of Sal DiMasi, the evidence DiMasi gives to the FBI and what implications that might have, the Wilkerson and Turner trials, all of these events will point back to Deval fairly or unfairly as a man who is either ineffective or indifferent to corruption. As NJ shows the voters will blame the man on top even if he is really out of the loop and alienated from his own party's establishment.

4)Star power useless

NJ voters overwhelmingly approve of President Obama yet overwhelmingly refused to listen to him this election day and voted out Corzine. Similarly, no matter how many star Democrats come to stump in this state, Deval's fate may already be sealed.

That said, the Christie model falls apart in one regard-Baker is actually better suited for MA than Christie was for NJ:

Christie was far too the right of the avg NJ voter on abortion, gay rights, stem cells and taxes. In MA Baker is only to the right on taxes, a position that is also popular with most MA voters (most overrides fail to pass, prop-2, plus all the Republican governors that were elected on no-tax pledges). He is pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-stem cells. Basically a social liberal and fiscal moderate like most of our independent voters and even some Democrats. Once more people know who Baker is, and he will be helped by a competitive primary, the more people will gravitate to him as the likely Deval alternative.

Now whether this is good news or bad news for MA is another thing, I suspect Baker will be just as ineffective as Patrick, if not more so due to his own naivete and a more hostile legislature. But in any case he is our next Governor.

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I'd be very careful... (5.75 / 4)
...about using one state to predict another state.  You're making quite a few assumptions here, not the least of which is forgetting that there is another year to go before our own election.

While I hope you are right, Chris (0.00 / 0)
Another similarity is having declines in urban populations and home sales.  Why we are shrinking  

The failure to halt this population decline, the decline in home prices, rising rental prices, impact of failure to address the rental housing crisis and affordable housing generally, corporate welfare rather than strong support for affordable housing, public higher education, and ..... no massive support to job creating on main street....there IS a lot of anger out there.

No one wants to see their kids move to New Hampshire or North Carolina to be able to afford to house themselves and to find jobs...but that is happening a lot...if you read Bluestone's report - the housing report card above in Why We Are Shrinking above you can see what MUST be addressed in the next year.

Deborah Sirotkin Butler
AmberPaw dot @aol.com

"Failure to plan is planning to fail."
Proverb


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We are not shrinking! (6.00 / 4)
I replied to this in the other post, but lets clarify it again:

MA Population Data from the US Census

1900 - 2805346
1950 - 4690514
1990 - 6016425
2000 - 6349113
2008 - 6497967  


[ Parent ]
Thanks MR. Stas - but why is this data different from Bluestone's? (0.00 / 0)
Barry Blueston's report

I am not an expert in housing or population.  I would love those who are to weigh in and educate me further.

It may be, for example, that our "gray" population is growing, but our population between 25-45 is shrinking, which means that our base of productive, tax paying workers is shrinking.  

Some of the graphs, charts, and figures in the Report do seem to show loss of this age group, if I read them right.  I would rather that the population in this state, and the productive segments of the economy be growing as I am not one to leave the state for many reasons, and hope my adult children are able to afford to remain.  that is a real concern for me.

The news today about Evergree Solar shifting some operations to China is just NOT encouraging.

Deborah Sirotkin Butler
AmberPaw dot @aol.com

"Failure to plan is planning to fail."
Proverb


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Be Careful about Single Examples (6.00 / 2)
Yes, the news about Evergreen is not helpful, but on the same day that story appeared in the papers, there is a story about Google in the Boston Herald in which a senior executive is quotes as saying they expect to grow "very rapidly in the next few months".  In addiiton, biotech in MA increased employment nearly 7% during the recession (only 2% nationally) according to Moody's Economy.com, and an independent study by MA Budget & Policy Center says state already saved or created 27,400 jobs with Federal Stimulus funds.

We still have much work to do, but the Governor and his team are working hard and there are real signs of progress.


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Thanks, Doug - ultimately it will be jobs and affordable housing... (0.00 / 0)
...that both return our Commonwealth to prosperity and keep my kids from moving away.  

Did you read the report that Barry Bluestone's group put out, and that he explained on 10/27/09 to the AHA?  I would love your take on that.  The cite is in my post, above.

Also, it is sadly true that more jobs were lost than created ...that is not "net" 27,400 jobs saved or created, correct? - and are those jobs stable without stimulus funds?

Deborah Sirotkin Butler
AmberPaw dot @aol.com

"Failure to plan is planning to fail."
Proverb


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That's a more complicated question (0.00 / 0)
I took my population source numbers directly from the US Census - I can't tell you why someone else uses different numbers, or defend their use of them.

I'd generally caution you about conclusions about the state built on a report about greater Boston.

With that said, if someone wants to go in depth on the report and the census data and come up with an answer to your question, I'd love to see it.


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geography (0.00 / 0)
Thanks MR. Stas - but why is this data different from Bluestone's? (0.00 / 0)
Barry Blueston's report
I am not an expert in housing or population.  I would love those who are to weigh in and educate me further.

Bluestones report seems to focus on "Greater Boston" housing and not, as the US Census data does, on total population, statewide.  

Since the early 90's when Greater Boston did away with rent controls, increases have driven people out of the City.  I moved to Leominster, from Arlington, in 1998 and, despite going from a two bedroom to a three bedroom apartment, and regular increases to my rent I'm STILL not paying (now) even close to what I was  paying then.  Recent research indicates that drastic increases in Greater Boston rents suggest that I'm even paying significantly less for what I have here then I would pay for a studio or one bedroom there.

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Isn't decline in home prices a good thing? (6.00 / 2)
Seems to me the lower the prices the more people can afford to purchase homes here.

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agree (0.00 / 0)
We need to lower the price even more by opening up supply.  NIMBYs have way too much authority to block any development through zoning, permits and litigation.  We can and should do it intelligently -- smart growth, transit-oriented, etc.  But it needs to be in places that people actually want to live and work.  Limiting our efforts to help young family find afforable housing to the "Gateway Cities" is a recipe for more people to leave the state.  

[ Parent ]
I'm right there with you on the transit-oriented (5.00 / 1)
but which parts of the public transit system have room for more 9-5 commuter types?  In Boston, it seems that the Green Line doesn't, nor the Red.  Given that the MBTA doesn't have the cash to expand the system, does housing more people near public transit accomplish anything particularly 'smart'?

I ask this question half cynically, half seriously.  I believe in smart growth, and I believe in public transportation being an as-important piece of public infrastructure as electricity, natural gas lines, roads, bridges, sidewalks, and phone lines.

But short of a courageous and unlikely move by the legislature, can the MBTA handle new ridership over the next decade?


P.S. Yes, there's more to smart growth than riding the subway, and there are more urban areas than Boston.  I'm all for "town center" development in other MA cities, where people can dine, grocery shop, drop off their dry cleaning, and do other frequent commercial activity within a few blocks of their home... even better if they can walk to work.


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There is still plenty of room for growth (0.00 / 0)
You can just add more trains. The main reason that would not work perfectly is that train malfunctions would have increasingly bad effects the more people are in the system, and sadly there are a lot of malfunctions, at least on the red line.

There is also plenty of room for expansion of the bus system.

Having said that, I really think that we should stop talking about population growth as being necessary for a good economy, because it should be obvious that it is not sustainable. We must not let the real-estate industry's desire for profits drive us to ruin our neighborhoods in the name of "growth".

 


[ Parent ]
Different races (6.00 / 1)
Cahill is much stronger than Daggett was, and Cahill appeals to a different (more widespread) group of voters. I agree that the Governor has to worry that one of the two candidates falls off the ledge, electorally, but right now the race is truly a 3-person race -- Cahill polls as well as Baker, something Dagget could never say, with Patrick only about 10 pts ahead of both. Daggett voters would have known their vote would be worthless, not the case with either Cahill or Baker voters, so there's no reason to think they'll drop their support to give it to whoever has a better shot at taking out Deval. Honestly, I think there's just as much reason to think Baker could fade as there is for Cahill. This state really, really isn't Republican anymore. A third, non-Republican candidate who's known state-wide really could have a better chance at winning than Baker, someone with too many connections to the Big Dig and Big HMOs.

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The viability test (5.50 / 2)
I think many potential supporters of a third party candidate start considering that candidate's viability about three weeks out from the election.  If the candidate is below 15%, s/he is a dead duck, as almost nobody want to vote for a loser.  Even if they don't pull out, that candidate is done for.  Daggett started bleeding seriously around the 20th after peaking just at 15%, which convinced me that Corzine was done for.  I remember other once-strong candidates bleeding support in October: Schleisinger started bleeding to Lieberman in 2006 and hadn't topped 13% since that April and it just got worse toward the end.

On the other hand, if a candidate keeps a steady 15% (seems to be the magic number), they don't tend to bleed support.  Recent examples include Barkley in MN-SEN 2008 and Pollina in VT-GOV 2008...once they stabilize above 15% they're not going anywhere even if all they'll do is play spoiler.

If Tim Cahill goes into October 2010 polling around 7-10%, most of those votes will be in Baker's pocket on Election Night.

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Disagree (5.89 / 9)
I strongly disagree with several aspects of your analysis here, mainly because I think the NJ race is considerably different.

First of all, you liken NJ to MA on the basis of both being "deeply blue states," but it's important to realize that, actually, Massachusetts is a much bluer state than NJ. Republicans actually have an organization and several well-populated areas of "red" strength in NJ, and even had ambitions of taking over the State House in this election. Neither point is even close to true in Mass.

Second, as Ryan notes in a comment above, Cahill is a far more capable candidate than Daggett. Cahill, after all, has already been elected statewide. He may or may not turn out to be a great campaigner, but there's little doubt he starts from a much more viable point than Daggett in NJ. With Cahill in the race, Patrick's chances increase dramatically.

Third, while I would certainly expect Baker to make hay about corruption, the link between DiMasi (for example) and Patrick is considerably slimmer than the links between Corzine and the various scandals there.

Fourth, it's not accurate to say that the Dems' star power was "useless" and that voters" overwhelmingly refused to listen to" Obama. Indeed, Corzine was down by far more in the summer (as much as 15 points), and I think the appearances by Obama helped close the gap and get more people to the polls than otherwise would have.

Finally, voter turnout in Massachusetts tends to be higher than that in NJ -- and the dips from Presidential years to non-Presidential years slighter -- suggesting that the 2010 Massachusetts electorate will not lose as much a chunk of the core Democratic voters as the 2009 NJ electorate did.


Re: Daggett (5.00 / 1)
I see a similar model in that both have similar Cook Partisan Index rankings of +D in the double digits, at least at the presidential level and are in the Northeast. Also the issues of the campaigns will be similar-raising taxes, cutting services, corruption scandals and the popularity ratings for our Governor are actually worse than Corzine's, the latest poll I saw on BMG had Deval polling at 36% and winning by a mere plurality. Thus only 36% of voters actually approve of his job and as we have seen with Corzine, if the third party support drops off, with Obama star power included, Deval is still barely at 50% and will likely lose in a close contest with the undecides breaking for the challenger.

Of course these states are different, and I concede that organizationally the Republicans are much stronger in NJ than they are here. That said the Democratic party is weaker as an organization here than it is in NJ so it evens out. NJ still has powerful urban machines that crank out voters on election day, the black vote nearly helped Corzine eek out a win, we don't have a similar organization here. Also our organization will be fractured since I suspect many state legislators might jump over to Cahill's wagon if they find him viable since he comes from the 'insider's' wing of the party and a lot of Democrats from the Speaker to the Senate President to the Mayor have beef with Deval and will not be in lockstep support like they were of Corzine in NJ. So its a wash.

As for Daggett he was also a former statewide official, albeit an unelected one, and had the support of the states most popular ex-governor Tom Kean Sr. His support plateaued at around 25% and I suspect Cahill's will also erode after his viability is questioned. Independents don't win elections, people will realize that, and a vote against Deval is a vote for Baker, a vote for Cahill is a vote for Deval. Also he has considerable more baggage as an elected official at attracting votes, especially with his own scandals, than Daggett did. Once this becomes a two man race Deval is in serious trouble, and I suspect that it will.


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Huh? (5.50 / 2)
"Many state legislators might jump over to Cahill's wagon if they find him viable since he comes from the 'insider's' wing of the party"

The insiders have despised him from the get-go, especially for taking out their preferred candidate for state treasurer.  I'd me shocked to see any real senior Democrats endorse him (perhaps a Glodis here or there) as it means going outside the party on behalf of a very unlikely winner.

I think Cahill's support is going to evaporate next fall, with much of it going to Baker.  He doesn't have the money or numbers to appear viable enough to earn support in the home stretch.  With that in mind, I'd think that any poll that shows Deval under 45% is frankly cause for concern.

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[ Parent ]
Also depends... (0.00 / 0)
...on how much they value their automatic delegate status at the next convention or their seats on town/ward committees.  Anyone who backs an opponent of the Democratic nominee is ineligible for those positions in the next cycle.

[ Parent ]
Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
To wit I could see the King and Queen of the Leg giving tacit support to Cahill, or at least lukewarm support to Deval. I could see them working better with Cahill than they would with Deval since he is less of a change/reform agent, and more of a conservative hack in the Ed King mold. That said I completely agree that his support is not very deep, he won't catch fire, and his fundraising will be pretty anemic. Many on these boards cited Devals recent 36% 'victory' as proof that he will win the election. I cite that as proof that his numbers are even worse than Corzine's and that Cahill's numbers are likely at their ceiling. When they go down and the more people know about Baker the more Baker will consolidate the anti-Deval vote and eek out a victory.

Also I suspect he will be pretty ineffective and serve one term as well. Hopefully the loser of the Senate primary (Cap or Coakley) will be the frontrunner for Governor in 2012.


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My initial (0.00 / 0)
thoughts last night and this morning were pretty similar to what you wrote. However I have to agree with some of the comments that have been left so far. Cahill is a much stronger candidate than Daggett. Now granted, if Cahill's support collapses then that unquestionably helps Baker but given that we are a year away from the election and considering that we have no idea what the landscape will look like it is a little early to be declaring Baker the next governor of Massachusetts.  

Latest Evergreen story tonight's Globe (0.00 / 0)
http://www.boston.com/business...

That doesn't exactly help.


Bobby Haynes where are you??? (0.00 / 0)
Jobs to China, Corporate taxpayer subsidies.  My brain is hanging upside down...ugh!

balderdash! (5.00 / 1)
1) The election will be about the incumbent

Gosh, I hope so.  Deval's got a whale of an incumbency working for him.

If Deval goes negative early he risks decreasing his popularity further and also risks looking like an old politician as opposed to an Axelrod hopemongering one, which will also drive down the support among his base.

And... If Deval kills, boils and eats senior citizens on the steps of the state house he risks losing the vegetarian vote...   driving down the support of his b ase.  I further suppose that, should he suddenly take a shine to the three martini lunch followed by a leisurely swerve around the block in his Caddy... That, also, will drive down the support among his base.

3) Corruption scandals will be linked to the Governor

Guff-aw...  Only if you consider the link to be that corruption scandals occurred in the same state... In which case we're all implicated!!!

Sentient citizens of the Commonwealth have been treated to a toe-to-toe standoff between the legislature and the Gov pretty much since the honeymoon ended.  I think the citizens of the Commenwealth have seen who has the upper hand in this fight...

I could go through your post, point by point, but why...?  It's merely conjecture about why thinks might go wrong and/or against Deval.   There's nothing there to suggest that this means anything for Baker.  

Seems to me like you want Baker to 'Go negate early'...



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A few replies (4.00 / 2)
On incumbency:

The most recent poll showed Deval winning with a plurality at 36% those are terrible ratings for an incumbent, factor in the economy and unemployment getting worse and we are looking at an anti-incumbent environment. Currently the only thing helping Deval is Tim Cahill. While his most committed supporters may help him, when 60% of Democrats oppose him it is not looking good.

On negative campaigning:

Unlike your sarcastic hypothetical situations, Deval Patrick very well could go negative early and alienate his base, who voted against politics as usual. With few positive achievements to run on Deval will rely on tying Baker with the Big Dig and George Bush, tactics he has already employed. These attachments in my view, are too old and too distant to stick. Baker is a social liberal so eons away from Bush, and he had little to do with the Big Dig. Bringing up his heading an HMO can bring up Devals ties to Ameriquest. In any case, if Deval goes negative it will actually turn some of his base off, as have his recent environmental policies and service cuts. Thus unlike your sarcastic examples, this one not only will happen it will also hurt the Governor. If even 2% of that 36% stays home Deval is toast.

On corruption:

Actually Corzine had no connections to the state Democratic machine, he was not their preferred choice, and his funding came from his own personal warchest and special interest groups. He had no ties to the indicted mayors. Yet Deval actively campaigned for indicted felon Dianne Wilkerson and has put many political cronies from Walz to Aloisi on his payroll. While his connections to DiMasi are tenous, this was the guy who promised to clean up Beacon Hill, not wipe his hands from it, and it will still hurt him and contribute broadly to an anti-incumbent environment.

A broader reply:

Of course I think MA is more Democratic than NJ and also that Obama's endorsement will have more weight here because Obama is more popular in MA, and also the two politicians are a lot more similar and share similar themes. It was a little hard to believe that venture capitalist and Hillary Clinton/Bloomberg supporting Jon Corzine was an Obama Democrat, but from sharing a South Side (of Chicago) background to campaign managers the connection is a lot more real and the President would especially not want his close friend and political doppleganger to be defeated, lest it make him look bad.

Also the Senate campaign will suck oxygen out of the governors race and Deval could use a period of benign neglect to see if his numbers go up, or at least stop bleeding. By 2010 the economic situation in MA could be much better, also we do not know if Baker will commit any major gaffes or if our states Christy can pull off an upset. That said I think the parallels are striking and the political environments roughly analogous and thus stand by my prediction. Ill even put up some numbers, and I should get more swag than JohnD if these are right since they were made a year in advance!

Baker 49
Patrick 42
Cahill 7
Others: 2
 


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and another thing... (6.00 / 1)
I was going to give up on this thread, because you're obviously made up your mind. So be it.  But something about your reply here kept nagging at me. AFter a shot o coffee it hit me: I've heard these arguments before.

You're recycling the talking points from the 1994 Senate race wherein, I was told, Mitt Romney would defeat Ted Kennedy and be 'the next Senator for Ma.'  Anti-incumbency, ties to corruption (Clinton/whitewater and Kennedy's nephew, etc...) Kennedy would be 'required' to go negative... blah, blah blah. All of it played out in '94.

While I don't think Deval is a lock, I'm not as sanguine as you are about Charlie Bakers chances, especially if this is the caliber of support he's going to get: wishful thinking about '94 redux.  Much will depend, of course, on whom it is that Charlie picks to run his campaign and advise him (if he hasn't already) and how they go about doing just that.  Scott Brown already lost his race with an exquisitely painful halloween ad that mostly featured democrats with scary superlatives... "public option Pagliuca", "Cap n trade Capuano"... he's gone negative against all the democrats at once. Fail.

If Baker is going to take this seriously, then the model to use isn't the '94 race between Kennedy and Romney whereby Romney posited himself as the golden-child messiah cum wizard with all the right answers... And Kennedy, at his heaviest I believe, was dealing with a divorce, had to mortgage his house in Virginia to fund his race and all the other problems I mentioned.  Kennedy was not then known as 'the lion'. There was really little reason for Kennedy to have won that one, other than the voters sniffed out Romney as altogether too pompous and snide and didn't like his arrogant expectation of capitulation and genuflection.  Romneys' later campaign for Governor demonstrates that he may have sniffed this out also...

No the model to use is the '96 Senate race between Kerry and Weld, which was mostly civil and debated on the merits. While Kerry won that, it was closer and Weld ran brilliantly, showcasing both his obvious intelligence and his common touch... and it played extremely well.  I think Kerry won mostly on the inconsistencies of Welds ambition (which later played out in his melting away from Mass politics, and, indeed, politics in general).  If Baker can show that he's not just going to campaign, but actually do the job... that is to say, if he refuses your suggestion of running on the slogan "Of course I'll win, duh, don't you see what a goofball Deval is???" and actually takes both the job and the voters seriously, he might have a chance.  Weld, to date, is the only Republican I've seen in the past twenty years to run this sort of campaign.  If Baker can do it, he'll be swimming against the very strong currents of the present GOP tides.


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--Stephen Colbert


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When you say Mr. Baker "had nothing to do with the Big Dig" . . . (6.00 / 3)
. . . I assume you mean he never picked up a shovel.

    In fact, based on reports at the time, Charlie Baker played a significant role as the state's top fiscal officer in that he wrote and defended the Big Dig borrowing plan.  The state is STILL "digging" out from under that mess.  

    I get that you like Charlie and I believe that competition is a great thing.  I look forward to the next year when the voters in MA get to choose in which direction they wish to go.  Candidates that propose to take us back to the "good old days" should be willing to talk about what really happened in those days.  

    When Charlie first announced his intention to run, the Mass Democratic Party asked Five Questions about his role in the Big Dig.  He hasn't answered them yet and if you are supporting him, I hope you'll urge him to do so.

    You can find the details at BigDigBaker.com.  Take another look at the Five Questions.  They are pretty straight forward.  If you get a chance to talk with candidate Baker, don't let him get away with "I never picked up a shovel at the Big Dig."  

John Walsh, Chair
Massachusetts Democratic Party


[ Parent ]
I thought Aloisi wrote Big Dig financing plan... (0.00 / 0)
known as Metropolitan Highway Bill.    
I also seem to recall Gov Patrick hired him!
..eh John?

[ Parent ]
John (0.00 / 0)
I don't like Charlie Baker at all, in fact I am completely disappointed that there will not be a progressive in the race. I have met you before and spent many a hot summer weekend in 2005 canvassing for Deval back when he was barely registering in the polls to get his name out. I met many great people as a Precinct Captain in my neighborhood in the primary and general election. I was young and idealistic then, and 2006 was my first election and Deval Patrick was the first candidate I ever voted for. Finally tasting a victory after the bittersweet Dean and Kerry campaigns was sweet and I finally thought the good guys won. Then came incompetent Deval whose message was derailed by many rookie moves from drapegate to caddy gate that cemented in people's minds that Deval was out of touch. Then came the casino debate when he broke a promise he had made to me in person and to many people all across this state that he would not support a regressive attack on the poor that would cause misery for so many with little tangible gains made for our states struggling finances. And thats when he lost me. When I realized he cared more about politics than about principles and he has lost me ever since. From gutting environmental regulations to encourage business development to cutting services for the mentally ill to supporting the wholescale privatization of our public schools-Deval Patrick is a corporate Democrat in every sense of the word. The only difference between him and Baker is that Baker will have no corrupt friends he will need to make or help since the only corrupt people on Beacon Hill are Democrats-not because the Republicans are saints but because they have no power to leverage for patronage.

Baker will cut services more for his radical anti-tax agenda and I am convinced he is just as much of an inept MBA turned politico who has no actual experience governing anything and knows next to nothing about policy.

I am seriously considering changing my registration to keep pat Quinn in power in IL where I currently attend college.

I was simply pointing out that the election results in NJ show that Deval is toast, putting my newly minted political science degree to good use by analyzing this race as a neutral outsider. And John you have already shown that the only strategy Deval has is to savage Charlie Baker by going negative early. What happened to Change we can believe in? or Together we can? I guess now its together we can't but Baker can't even more.

Sorry John I was excited to vote for a genuine candidate I could believe in back in 2006, in 2010 if I vote at all, it will be for the lesser of two evils and believe me that is not Deval by a long shot.


[ Parent ]
Umm, Excuse You BMG'r (6.00 / 1)
The Repunlican party has a primary. my friend Christy Mihos is running in it. I think he'll win. Ever meet Charlie Baker? And then feel the need to wash your hands? Charlie does. He's just not comfortable meeting regular people. And regular people vote.

The big question re GOP primary (6.00 / 3)
is whether Christy can overcome his still-evident tendency to look like a goofball.  I actually agree with you that Christy has far more of a common touch than Charlie does.  Charlie's fundraising numbers are impressive, but he's tapping the fatcats now -- the ones who were always going to love him, and who are terrified of someone like Christy.  But that won't last forever -- there aren't nearly enough of those people to win an election, and Charlie's early forays into connecting with regular folks (e.g. his opening video) have been disastrous.

But Christy has got to get his sh*t together.  Maybe you can help him.


[ Parent ]
Seriously (6.00 / 2)
The RGA has been mentioning Charlie Baker left and right when talking about their "up and coming stars".  Christy Mihos has a long way to go to overcome the establishment that has rallied around Baker.

Proverbs 10:14

[ Parent ]
In a Republican Primary (4.00 / 1)
Only Republicans and Unenrolled can vote. Registered democrats have no say. A lot of Republicans are liking what they're hearing from Mihos. His support of local candidates is untouchable by any other candidate. The invisible Boston fat asses only get one vote each.  

[ Parent ]
Sentiments of Patrick campaign ... (6.00 / 3)
... on the prospect of running against Mihos in the general ...



[ Parent ]
Would Have Been Better (0.00 / 0)
On Friday. I welcome a race with Deval in it. The longer Deval stays, the less Tim McGoMurray can have an impact.

[ Parent ]
Christy needs to sell a few more slushies (6.00 / 1)
According to the Globe, Christy might not make it to the prelim. Seems he's having a bit of a money problem. Or, at the least, some internal campaign issues.

Story here:

http://www.boston.com/news/loc...

Democrats protest war. Republicans protest healthcare.  


[ Parent ]
The Globe (0.00 / 0)
Believed Kevin soweirda. You did too. The Mihos campaign is fine. Any questions you have, ask me. I'll get responsible answers and post them for you. Yes, I am a volunteer for the Mihos campaign. Republicans are a hell of a lot nicer than democrats.

[ Parent ]
Why wouldn't the Globe believe (6.00 / 1)
the Mihos campaign spokesperson?

[ Parent ]
Because (0.00 / 0)
They are a tool of the democratic party. Democrats and the Globe cosider themselves elitist. You elitists think your see-through trousers are a miracle thread. They'e not.

[ Parent ]
in other words (0.00 / 0)
Republicans don't care that you have "issues":

Ryan Sorba (1.00 / 3)
Spoke at Framingham State last year. The GLBT group wanted to disrupt the presentation. They were quite outraged about someone refusing to wholeheartedly kiss gay bummy. The presentation went on as planned. It was the best attended event at Framingham State I had ever seen. In the end, even I could see Mr. Sorba's stretching of facts(?).

I guess freedom speech only applies when you are agreeing with the speaker. Who better be a democrat.

by: billxi @ Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 10:53:48 AM EDT




[ Parent ]
Huh... (0.00 / 0)
You gotta get off of that "hate" issue you have. my issues I have spoken well about on both BMG and RMG. i know the democratic party is a la carte. Why don't you read about the Fernald school and give us your omnipotent opinion about that?  

[ Parent ]
if you do say so yourself (0.00 / 0)
Care to share what your ideals are or what led you to the Republican party? You've refused to do so in the past, but I'm always hopeful.

On here you post mostly about hating gays and democrats.  Here's another example:

I believe (1.50 / 2)
That this is a forum for EVERYONE. Not just you ass-kissing democratic hacks who owe your lives to the "party". I don't hate anyone. Now I understand the socialist principles you disguise as democratic, but last I heard, censorship hasn't been conquered by you (plural) yet. So until you (plural) shut down the bill of rights, I'm saying my piece.
by: billxi @ Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 17:34:46 PM EDT



[ Parent ]
I'm waiting (0.00 / 0)
For your opinion on Fernald. I'll write a post about my beliefs.

[ Parent ]
gee (0.00 / 0)
and here I thought you were just mocking me.  What exactly do you want to hear about Fernald that hasn't been said?  It seems to me the topic has been well covered on here.

[ Parent ]
Cahill's money problem (0.00 / 0)
Even though Cahill has $3mil in the bank (raised over seven years in office), he raised under 120K in October.  Baker raised half a million in October alone - and one million dollars in less than 100 days.  I read in the Lowell Sun Baker wants to raise 12 Mil - I assume that includes state/national soft money.    

Question:  Where the hell is Tim Cahill gonna get the money required to stay competitive against the Governor and Baker?  His independent status prevents and infusion of party money.  Cahill better find himself an independently wealthy running mate to join him on his incredibly foolish quest for the corner office.


Got a source (0.00 / 0)
most overrides fail to pass

Is this true?  Got data?  It's not obvious to me one way or the other, really just curious.


True (6.00 / 2)
According the Mass DOR, roughly 40% of the 4,449 override votes have passed.

Geez, my hometown is 1 for 13.


[ Parent ]
but how meaningful is that stat? (0.00 / 0)
A lot of towns have multiple separate line items for the same election; for instance, there are 11 separate lines for 6/28/2004 for Ware - all losses. I would guess that towns would tend to be more inclined to split their overrides into multiple line items when they think that many will fail so that they are more likely to get something.

Given that, 40% seems like a pretty decent success rate overall.


[ Parent ]
Could go both ways. (0.00 / 0)
You make a good point, but you could also argue that if you didn't split those overrides into different votes, then the "omnibus" overrides would be more likely to fail and perhaps the success rate would be even lower.  

If a town thinks an override will lose and splits a single override into 5 different questions that happen to go 3 for 5, then there is a 60% success rate.  If they don't split, however, they'd be 0 for 1.  Are they more successful by splitting questions?  Statistically, yes, but either way, I think the original point still holds true- that overrides fail more often than not.

We'd really have to through the entire spreadsheet and calculate each town individually and each split referenda as one to know for certain.


[ Parent ]
Where to begin... (6.00 / 6)
Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion, but I could not disagree with you more about the results in NJ foreshadowing similar results in MA in 2010.  Let's try to take it point by point:

1. Your assumption that the Governor will go negative early is pretty flimsy given his past track record.  In the face of what some said was one of the nastiest attacks in recent MA political history, the Governor made the decision to run a positive campaign in 2006.  Hard to jump to the conclusion that he will throw all that out and "go negative" early in this campaign.

2. As someone who has worked closely with Treasurer Cahill, I can tell you that it is a mistake to dismiss him as you do in your post.  He is someone who has constantly been underestimated in his career, and yet has won county and statewide elections.

3. This one is a real stretch, particularly since the Governor assembled a bi-partisan commission (including Charlie Baker) to develop a tough set of ethics laws in response to the scandals, and then worked aggressively to get these ethics reforms passed in the Legislature.

4. It is not about the "star power" - it is about the relationship the Governor has with the President and his administration, and what that means for Massachusetts.  The Gov is in Washington now meeitng with Axelrod and other administration officials.  He helped make sure the federal recovery act included money for education, and his relationship with the President and the alignment on creating jobs in emerging industries like clean energy and biotech will pay dividends for the people of the Commonwealth.

We understand that this will be a tough campaign, given the economic situation and the strength of the three challengers.  We are taking nothing for granted, and will continue to work hard on the campaign side.  In the end, this campaign will be about values and priorities - whether the voters of MA believe in the long-term investments and progressive values of Governor Patrick, or want to go back to the more conservative policies and mismanagement of the past.


Re: Doug (0.00 / 0)
Well I present one set of criteria already-you and John Walsh have entirely contradicting sets of messages in convincing me that Deval is not toast demonstrating that your campaign lacks a cohesive narrative. But I will take each of your points one by one.

1. Your assumption that the Governor will go negative early is pretty flimsy given his past track record.  In the face of what some said was one of the nastiest attacks in recent MA political history, the Governor made the decision to run a positive campaign in 2006.  Hard to jump to the conclusion that he will throw all that out and "go negative" early in this campaign.

I point you to John Walsh's comments in response to me above this thread, he is clearly trying to connect Charlie Baker to the Big Dig and is already going negative painting him as a tool of special interests. I have already heard the anti-HMO talking points advanced by other representatives of the Patrick campaign. You will run negative ads against Charlie, its the inevitable strategy with a candidate as unpopular as the Governor to paint his opponent as even more dangerous and make him even more unpopular. It failed for Corzine it will fail for Deval. Perhaps you and John should discuss strategies since you are clearly in disagreement.

As for the past track record he did have 527's run negative ads against Healy, mostly union paid, towards the latter stage of the campaign. I will give him credit though-nothing personal and no real vicious attack ads then. Will the Governor make a no-negative ad pledge? Will he pledge to accept public financing?

2. As someone who has worked closely with Treasurer Cahill, I can tell you that it is a mistake to dismiss him as you do in your post.  He is someone who has constantly been underestimated in his career, and yet has won county and statewide elections.

Of course it is in the interest of your campaign to bolster Cahill, but as David points out his fundraising (new funds that is) are anemic and without a party organization he will not have party money, corporate money, or PAC money. He has to rely solely on his past donors, and I think most of them were happy to support a safe incumbent Treasurer but will not be so eager to risk their funds on an independent candidate.

The anti-Deval vote will break for Baker like the Dagget vote overwhelmingly went to Christie. Also Cahill seems to be running to the right of both candidates which seems like a really inept strategy. Republicans don't like him because of his tax and spend records and ethics issues as Treasurer and Democrats will not like his right wing talking points. Most independents tend to be centrists, not conservatives, so I really don't see who he is appealing to with this message. He will likely drop out when he realizes he has no shot, or stay on and eek out the 7% I generously gave him.

3. This one is a real stretch, particularly since the Governor assembled a bi-partisan commission (including Charlie Baker) to develop a tough set of ethics laws in response to the scandals, and then worked aggressively to get these ethics reforms passed in the Legislature.

The Governor could have been principled and backed Chang Diaz against the corrupt Wilkerson, been practical and  stayed neutral, but instead he actively helped his 'dear friend' and 'essential ally' the indicted Dianne Wilkerson. He appointed Walz to a hack position, he appointed 'big dig' Jim Aloisi even bragging that he knew 'where the bodies are buried' and allowed his ethics reform to be significantly watered down to appease the real power-brokers in MA the Speaker and Senate President.

4. It is not about the "star power" - it is about the relationship the Governor has with the President and his administration, and what that means for Massachusetts.  The Gov is in Washington now meeitng with Axelrod and other administration officials.  He helped make sure the federal recovery act included money for education, and his relationship with the President and the alignment on creating jobs in emerging industries like clean energy and biotech will pay dividends for the people of the Commonwealth.

So it comes down to threatening us? We will lose valuable stimulus and other federal funds if we dare choose to throw out the President's friend. President Obama is a pragmatist, he gets along great with Tom Coburn and Jim Douglas even though they are Republicans and helps advance their pet causes. I think the President would not be foolish enough to risk alienating one the key states that consistently supports him both in terms of fundraising dollars and in terms of advancing his agenda. Also Senators and Congressmen do a lot more than Governors in securing that funding, and our delegation will remain strongly Democratic in the near future. I suspect President Obama will continue to have a great relationship with our senior Senator John Kerry and will also mentor along his good friend Ted Kennedy's replacement.

This claim is misleading at best, a veiled threat at worse. Obviously Deval Patrick will continue to get along with President Obama better than Charlie Baker, but by no means will a Baker governorship set MA back in this regard as much as you claim. If anything the President would be happy to find a bipartisan ally on a lot of key issues and I suspect the mostly liberal Baker would be the kind of Republican the President likes to have around.

Also this talking point clearly failed to work for Jon Corzine. Doug you clearly got your work cut out for you.



[ Parent ]
One thing that always seems to be ignored in these discussions (6.00 / 1)
is a candidate's strengths as a campaigner. We have yet to see how Baker will handle himself on the stump. All of the points you make could be out the window if Baker has a disastrous debate performance. Deval came from nowhere in the last election largely because he is a superb campaigner and speechmaker.

Of course, Baker could be the candidate who surges to victory this cycle based on his campaigning strengths. My point is that it's a wild card, and one that is as important as any stances on the issues.


Certainly (0.00 / 0)
Again with a year away there are a lot of variables that could dramatically change the race. The point of this comparison is merely to illustrate that Governor Patrick faces a very similar environment as Governor Corzine in several crucial metrics of political strength, and that he will likely run a similar campaign as Governor Corzine, so when you factor those two likely outcomes the final outcome, a Patrick loss, is quite likely, especially considering the inevitable Cahill collapse.

To be honest if Baker was smart he would make Cahill is LG. He looks bi-partisan, mavericky, and independent, and it gives him someone with statewide campaigning experience as well as crucial connections in the state leg. Cahill could really be a point man in a way Murray was supposed to be, but has not been, in getting the hack wing of the party to accept the Governor's agenda. Of course such a move probably carries more risks than rewards for both candidates, and I suspect Tim Cahill's ego will always prevent him from being anything but the top dog.  


[ Parent ]
If You Make Enough Assumptions, Anything is Possible (6.00 / 1)
To make the claim that Governor Patrick "will likey run a simlar campaign as Governor Corzine" and therefore will likely face the same outcome is to simply ignore the facts.

Governor Corzine ran a self-funded, very expensive campaign that included a number of negative ads during the campaign.  In 2006, Governor Patrick ran a grassroots campaign that featured no negative advertisements from the campaign.

Not sure what your point is, other than to make enough assumptions that you can get to a specific point of view.


[ Parent ]
strawman Doug (0.00 / 0)
How about you answer the actual responses I made to your responses and the actual charges I made instead of creating straw men to argue? I understand intellectual honesty is not part of your trade, but you baited me in your first post by engaging the actual points I made and rebutting them with substantial and well thought out comments, albeit ones I disagree with.

To say we didn't go negative in 2006 so we won't in 2010 is not proof, ipso facto. Already John Walsh is going negative, his posts rebutting me had absolutely nothing positive to say regarding the governors record and had a lot of nasty things to say regarding Charlie Baker and the Big dig. And you are telling me your party's spokeperson is not speaking for his Governor when he attacks Charlie Baker?

Secondly you did not address my other charges, and if you do not rebut them they flow to my side.  


[ Parent ]
good grief man, listen to yourself! (6.00 / 1)
Already John Walsh is going negative, his posts rebutting me had absolutely nothing positive to say regarding the governors record and had a lot of nasty things to say regarding Charlie Baker and the Big dig. And you are telling me your party's spokeperson is not speaking for his Governor when he attacks Charlie Baker?

What part of Charlie Bakers past government involvement, including proximity to the largest and most expensive public works project in recent US history, is not fair game?    Are we to judge him absent critical analysis of his past governmental experience?  Should we give him a pass should it come to light  that his fingerprints are all over the Big Dig funding mechanisms, which mechanisms we do know went horribly awry...

This is not 'going negative'. At least not any more negative than your insistence that the Governors doing a poor job....  By your own logic you are the one who is 'going negative'...  And the minute Charlie Baker says ANYTHING about the Governors record he will be DOING THE EXACT SAME THING which you now accuse the Governor (by proxy) of doing...  

Or, put another way, why is Governor Patricks political record fair game and Bakers is not?  

Will you get hysterical when Baker attacks Patricks record?  Will you froth then, as you do now, that Baker is 'going negative'?  

You are making a complete fool of yourself here.  Give it up.  

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"Providing health care to the uninsured is a job killer, while not providing health care is merely a people killer....   Bonus: Job Openings!!"

--Stephen Colbert


[ Parent ]
Cahill (0.00 / 2)
Would be Joe Lieberman in panties.

[ Parent ]
Cahill is "Joe Lieberman in panties" ????!!! (0.00 / 0)
Wow. You've brought boorishness to a new level.  

[ Parent ]
Must Be Good (0.00 / 0)
If you hated it.

[ Parent ]
still rubbish... (0.00 / 0)
The point of this comparison is merely to illustrate that Governor Patrick faces a very similar environment as Governor Corzine in several crucial metrics of political strength

Corzine is a millionaire who has self-financed every campaign he ever ran and was completely without message.   He threw money at the situation and shook up his campaign staff in August, closed a gap and nearly won.   Even if Deval was inclined to throw that kind of money at the situation, he's not capable of doing it.

And Corzine faced one, sizable, environmental factor that Deval will not:  an off year election that allowed the GOP to focus all available resources and personnel on a small number of races.   This will not hold true in '10.  In fact, with a dozen or so retiring Republican Senators the RNC will have to budget more wisely and might, as they have done before, simply write off Mass... especially if they don't see Baker as a 'true' conservative.   There's almost no way that I can see that Baker gets the amount of support that Christie did in NJ... None.  

and that [Deval Patrick] will likely run a similar campaign as Governor Corzine,

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume any truth to that statement.  None. Whatsoever.  In biography, style, temperament, past campaigns runs and available resources John Corzine and Deval Patrick will never ever be mistaken for each other. Ever.   There is no reason to think that any situation would cause Deval Patrick to either consult Corzine or not learn from any mistakes Corzine might have made (if indeed, he made any that would be relevant to Deval Patricks context.)  It simply boggles the mind that you continue in this line of reasoning.    And, even if the reason held up to scrutiny (it does not) you will've done the Gov a service buy pointing it out, and simultaneously insulting him by refusing to believe he can learn from it.

so when you factor those two likely outcomes the final outcome, a Patrick loss, is quite likely, especially considering the inevitable Cahill collapse.

Cahill dug himself a hole and then built a rickety campaign halfway down: his campaign has to work up to a position in which it can collapse...   He's pretty much exposed himself as the self-interested mercenary he is... Even Mitt Romney figured out that he had to lie about his own mercenary streak to  get the people of Massachusetts to vote for him.


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"Providing health care to the uninsured is a job killer, while not providing health care is merely a people killer....   Bonus: Job Openings!!"

--Stephen Colbert


[ Parent ]
Several points of contention (0.00 / 0)
I am not the one making assumptions or assertions throughout this argument-you are.

You are assuming the Governor's record is considered popular by the people of this state-its not

It is most certainly not, at least with the last poll showing he has just 36% of the vote. Another SurveyUSA poll showed 60% Democrats disapproving of the Governor. These are not good numbers and there is no way to spin them-other than to say most people in Massachusetts-indeed most Democrats-want someone different.

You assume that since Deval ran a positive campaign previously he will do so again-he won't.

Thus the only thing Deval can rationally do to survive politically is make that someone different so scary that no voter would choose that option hence my assumption he will go negative.

John Walsh, the Chairman of the MASS Democrats, in rebuttals to me in this very thread spent more time attacking Charlie Baker than he did defending Deval Patrick's record. I suspect that will be the case in the fall.

And I also think it will turn off you, and others like me, who once believed this guy when he said he was a different politician. From endorsing Wilkerson, an indicted felon, over Diaz an electable and exciting progressive, is indication he is not principled. Throwing the poor under the bus with casinos and the retarded under the bus with service cuts demonstrates he is not principled. Cutting deals with Di Masi, De Leo, and other cronies and hacks in Beacon Hill shows us his rhetoric about 'cleaning the mess up' was empty.

Lastly you assume a Cahill collapse-in this case you assume correctly-but you also forget that a Cahill collapse will inevitable lead to a Baker victory since 32+17>36. Forgive me If I assumed that statement as well-but I don't have the time to explain the additive and transitive properties to you.  


[ Parent ]
still junk... (0.00 / 0)
You are assuming the Governor's record is considered popular by the people of this state-its not

You are assuming that fact to be relevant and mitigating.  It is not.  Lack of popularity for the governors record does not translate into a sudden love of Republicans.... It more often translates into a low voter turnout, which always favors the incumbent.

You assume that since Deval ran a positive campaign previously he will do so again-he won't.

Absent anything besides your near hysteria, there's no reason to assume he will, or must, 'go negative'.

Thus the only thing Deval can rationally do to survive politically is make that someone different so scary that no voter would choose that option hence my assumption he will go negative.

I think that Deval, and others, realize that the citizenry of Massachusetts doesn't scare that easily.  That's not how Weld or Romney won the governorship and that is how Romney lost to Kennedy.  Your sudden insistence on the bizarre notion that Deval will turn into Muffy says more about you than anything else.

John Walsh, the Chairman of the MASS Democrats, in rebuttals to me in this very thread spent more time attacking Charlie Baker than he did defending Deval Patrick's record. I suspect that will be the case in the fall.

It's entirely appropriate for Walsh, and others, to question Baker on his Big Dig role. Those are questions I want answered.  Is it negative? Only in the same way in which the prosecutor asks the defendant if he murdered the victim.... Does the defendant get to turn to the judge and say "Yer honor, he's saying bad things about me..."   I thought you were a progressive?  This is a tired Republican refrain: "Wah! the dems are saying true things that hurt our feelings... however true... waaahh...  "  Once again, the citizenry of the Commonwealth will show themselves to be smarter than you take them for.."

'Cause, you see, if Walsh didn't ask these questions, people like me, and maybe you in different temper, would feel compelled to ask why it is that the Governors record in politics matters but Charlie Bakers record does not?   Especially as regards the most expensive single public works project in American history.



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"Providing health care to the uninsured is a job killer, while not providing health care is merely a people killer....   Bonus: Job Openings!!"

--Stephen Colbert


[ Parent ]
Several contentions (0.00 / 0)
To clear the air for the umpteenth time in this thread I have not, never have been, and never will be a Republican. If anything I am a starry eyed idealist for wanting to vote for a Governor that is actually competent, principled, and means what he says. None of those things are things Deval currently represents. But my opinions don't matter this was an objective look at the race.

On the first point at least you concede he is unpopular, but believe me people are motivated to vote against someone just as much as they are motivated to vote for someone. Believe me it will be a high turnout election, but it says something that as a committed supporter you hope people don't show to the polls-it says you are afraid of your fellow voter. That's not a good sign.

It is right to ask questions about Baker, calling him 'big dig Baker', "Wall street Baker' 'baker HMO CEO' are attacks-they are not questions. And Walsh has already made judgment without hearing Bakers answers. To me those are negative attacks. And the fact that Walsh-Patricks former campaign manager and the head of the State DNC had nothing nice to say about Deval is also quite startling.

I dont see how Corzine being self funded has any relevance on the race. It doesn't change that he was unpopular, doesn't indicate why he went negative. If anything the fact that few volunteers, this one included, are going to come out for Deval next year and that he is a 'grassroots' candidate works against him not for him. The grassroots seemed to be excited on the right side of the spectrum this year.

I have already seen Deval and his surrogates compare Baker to Bush, hit him on Wall Street, and the Big Dig. If that isn't going negative I don't know what is. Perhaps I should turn your quote against you-its only a negative attack when a Republican makes it.  


[ Parent ]
In any case (0.00 / 0)
Believe what you want, my prediction still stands and I expect to get some BMG swag when Im proven right.  

[ Parent ]
Point of Information (0.00 / 0)
If Corzine was self-funded (a point made several times in the comments, to prove why he is different from Gov. Patrick who is beloved of grass roots, raised money in small amounts, etc.)...

...then why did Pres. Obama make all those fundraising trips for him?

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican





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