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Wal-Mart leading the charge against combined reporting

by: David

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 17:51:03 PM EST


One of the big-ticket items in Governor Patrick's proposal to close corporate tax loopholes is "combined reporting," which prevents multi-state corporations from shifting income among its affiliates, thereby unfairly depriving states like MA of tax revenue that they should be receiving.

As we know, Speaker DiMasi is not a big fan of combined reporting or of the other loophole-closures in the Gov's bill.  Turns out, though, it's not just DiMasi's desire for a "good business climate" -- there's an awful lot of money behind the effort to keep those loopholes wide open.  Here's Wal-Mart Watch:

Wal-Mart paid nearly a quarter of a million dollars last year to a small army of 8 lobbyists to push its agenda with Beacon Hill lawmakers in 2007. The retailer's 'high-priced' lobbying tab for 2007 came to $208,678---five times what the company spent the previous year....

Wal-Mart retained at least 8 lobbyists to ply its issues on Beacon Hill, which ranged from legislation regulating the retailer's credit cards, to preventing big box stores from selling gasoline below cost. Wal-Mart weighed in on bills related to electronic identity theft, the use of radio frequency identification devices, and private check cashing services.

But the retailer also paid Bay State Strategies and Holland & Knight to lobby against H. 3756, Governor Deval Patrick's "Act Improving the Fairness of the Tax Laws." The Governor's bill contains a provision that would require Wal-Mart to pay millions of dollars in state income taxes that the retailer has dodged by creating "sham transactions" that it pays to itself.

H. 3756 would close this tax loophole, forcing Wal-Mart to pay at much as $5 million in state taxes that it has previously dodged.

Here's how Wal-Mart does it:

Based on a scheme developed by its accounting firm, Ernst & Young, for a "local tax reduction strategy," Wal-Mart's financial self-dealing allows it to pay rent to itself through a maze of eight corporate subsidiaries created in November of 1996, including Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). The rent appears as an expense on state tax forms, and is thus deducted from its taxable revenues.

Under the agreement with itself, Wal-Mart pays 2.5% of gross sales monthly as rent to its own REIT, which then wires the money quarterly to Wal-Mart Property Company in the form of a dividend, which is then paid to Wal-Mart Stores as a tax-exempt "dividends received." All of these transactions are handled through a "cash management agreement" between all the parties. Neither the REIT nor the Property Company ever had any employees.

The REITs don't pay taxes, as long as they pay 90% of their income out in dividends to shareholders. In Wal-Mart's case, the REITs are owned by Wal-Mart subsidiaries which are registered in Delaware, a state that has no corporate income tax. Wal-Mart gets the benefit of the rent expense, but also gets the benefit of the non-taxed dividend, on the same monies. The dividends escape taxation, and the original rent that created the dividends is deducted from taxable income in the states where the "expense" is incurred. The rent, in essence, goes from one Wal-Mart pocket, into another.

Is Sal DiMasi seriously defending this kind of crap?  Why is he so in thrall to Wal-Mart's Ernst & Young strategy -- and to Wal-Mart's lobbyists?  Wait ... maybe I don't want to know the answer to that ...

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DiMasi's getting on my nerves (6.00 / 1)
Its time to dial it up on that Dude.  We need to start calling him on this.  Flood his phone lines and ask him why he supports Wal Mart's tax chicanery over funding for vital public services that average folks need.

Easy to call him 617 722 2500.  Time he heard from some regular folks and not just his lobbyist slicks.


"chicanery" (5.33 / 3)
Merriam Webster defines it as a deception, trick, or sharp practice.

How is it a deception to do what is specifically allowed by the law?  It isn't like this was some sort of secret--they specifically set up the tax law to allow it.

When you do your taxes this year, I hope that you don't engage in the chicanery of not opting to pay the voluntary higher tax rate.

"We would like to raise taxes on Wal-Mart, Verizon, and other corporations whose headquarters are out-of-state."

Is that so hard for you people to say?


[ Parent ]
But of course, it's not that simple (5.33 / 6)
"not opting to pay the voluntary higher tax rate"

vs.

"pay rent to itself through a maze of eight corporate subsidiaries created in November of 1996, including Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). The rent appears as an expense on state tax forms, and is thus deducted from its taxable revenues. Under the agreement with itself, Wal-Mart pays 2.5% of gross sales monthly as rent to its own REIT, which then wires the money quarterly to Wal-Mart Property Company in the form of a dividend, which is then paid to Wal-Mart Stores as a tax-exempt 'dividends received.' All of these transactions are handled through a 'cash management agreement' between all the parties."

Yeah, those are real comparable.


[ Parent ]
No, it isn't (6.00 / 3)
Not even slightly different than carrying more mortgage than you need in order to get the interest deduction.

Tax planning is tax planning.  If you don't engage in tax planning, then you are volunteering to pay more taxes than you legally should.

You want to eliminate a particular avenue of tax planning, fine, but don't pretend that it is anything other than a tax hike targeting non-local corporations.


[ Parent ]
You can call it whatever you want. (0.00 / 0)
The bottom line is the same: because we don't have combined reporting (and many other states do), MA is placing itself at a disadvantage, and there's no good reason to do so.

Can you seriously object to adopting combined reporting?


[ Parent ]
Inadequate information (0.00 / 0)
I don't know.

Off the top of my head when I should be writing a motion unrelated to this:

What consequences will there be other than screwing some corporations?  Will this increase accounting and compliance costs for smaller businesses? (Combined reporting necessarily introduces a lot of complexity into bookkeeping.) Does it open other avenues for evil corporations to not volunteer to pay more taxes?

What does more corporate taxes do to the business climate, which is already pretty chilly?

Why was combined reporting rejected in the first place?

Here is what I object to:  calling it a "loophole"  when, manifestly, what is being discussed is a tax hike; pretending that saying "loopholes ought to be closed" ends rational discussion on the issue.  It is the hyper-transparent "framing" that is irritating.  

You want to raise taxes on certain corporations.  So say so!

 


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Answers (6.00 / 2)
Good questions, they show some actual critical thinking on the subject.

Smaller businesses will have little to no additional compliance costs.  Combined Reporting will only matter for multi-state corporations and since close to half the states in the country have Combined Reporting, the multi-state corporations already do the accounting that a MA Combined Report would require when they file their returns in the other states.

Some corporations will see a decrease in their MA income, others will see an increase.  The corporations that are planning and structuring in order to decrease their MA taxes will be the ones that see an increase.

Combined Reporting was not rejected per se.  It was adopted by many other states as a new system that would more accurately measure a multi-state corporation's income as the multi-state corporation business model became more complicated.  By the 1980s many states had adopted it.  Then there were no states for almost 20 years before VT adopted it a few years ago.  Now WV has also adopted it and it has been proposed in MA, NY, MD, TN, and a few other states I'm forgetting.

I consider a loophole to be an unintended consequence of a tax statute.  I think we're well past the point when we can say the corporations are taking advantage of loopholes.  There is no question that MA knows the consequences of separate entity reporting and that a different and better system is available that is in effect in many other states.  


[ Parent ]
Non-Local? (0.00 / 0)
You mean the ones who come in here pushing Chinese goods, taking money out of the State, and buying tax favors in the process?

[ Parent ]
Just so (0.00 / 0)
We should rid ourselves of those.  

Let people pay through their frigging noses for household goods and groceries.  Its good for mom and pop.  Then we can complain about the looming crisis of inequality, and expand welfare benefits to compensate.


[ Parent ]
So you're a process guy (0.00 / 0)
It's all about the means, not the ends.

So it's bad for:

pay rent to itself through a maze of eight corporate subsidiaries created in November of 1996, including Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). The rent appears as an expense on state tax forms, and is thus deducted from its taxable revenues. Under the agreement with itself, Wal-Mart pays 2.5% of gross sales monthly as rent to its own REIT, which then wires the money quarterly to Wal-Mart Property Company in the form of a dividend, which is then paid to Wal-Mart Stores as a tax-exempt 'dividends received.' All of these transactions are handled through a 'cash management agreement' between all the parties."

Assume the REIT transaction is closed by statute.  As I pointed out ad naseum, even Wal-Mart doesn't have a money tree in its basement of low, low prices.  It must get the tax money from customers, employees or stockholders.

CMD point is, assuming you don't want to screw tax Massachusetts residents, the best source is to tax multi-state and/or multi-national corporations to spread the damage.  Just admit it.  I recall that stomv has said as much.  

It's a 12 step program, LA "liberal anonymous":
1: Admit that the government can't control its appetite for cash;
2: Admit that no politician is better than you;
3: Examine your past errors (so many!)
4: Make amends (anytime you're willing to apologize I'm there for you)

There's a start.


[ Parent ]
What about my money tree? (6.00 / 1)
See, gary, that's what you never talk about. The state's bills come due, no matter what. And if you think that schools, cops, roads, firefighters -- and yes, health care -- are actually good things to have, then you have to find a way to pay for it. And if Verizon doesn't pay its fair share, then the rest of us have to pass Prop. 2 1/2 overrides to pay for it. Or -- perhaps even worse -- we ignore problems, and defer $20 billion of infrastructure maintenance and watch our public assets go to seed. We're already paying for it.

Now, you may well be right that "government can't control its appetite for cash." (I could say the same for any corporation, but that's expected of them, I suppose.) But guess where that cash is going? A huge portion, huger all the time, is going right out the door again for health care costs, which means insurers and providers -- you know, the private sector! This was true before Ch. 58, and is even more true with it.

So how about joining with us in trying to get health care costs down, to make the markets more efficient, to actually know what we're paying for, to combat graft, and modernize the system? Or would that be bad old Commie command-and-control?

And that's why conservativism doesn't work. You cannot at once be for small government on one hand, and also be totally fine with having the private sector run government. Those two goals are contradictory. I don't imagine Barry Goldwater and Tom Delay would have much to say to each other.

(Personally, I lose not one wink of sleep imagining that Verizon's stockholders would have to take a cut from their dividend checks. But you have a softer heart than I do, clearly.)

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[ Parent ]
They are not loopholes (3.00 / 1)
I agree 100% with CMD.  Separate entity reporting specifically allows a corporation to create a subsidiary in a no/low tax state and create deductions for itself.  Many states have gotten rid of separate entity reporting in favor of combined reporting, a better system to measure the way multi-state corporations currently do business.  Many others have not.  The states that have not cannot complain when corporations take advantage.  Its not a surprise to anyone that pays attention.  First it was Delaware and Nevada intangible holding companies, then Vermont captive insurance companies, now its captive REITs.  It should surprise no one when the big 4 accounting firms come up with new structures that save significant state taxes.

Combined Reporting should be thought of as an updated taxation system that more accurately measures a multistate corporation's income.

Or we could continue to make no effort to actually understand Combined Repoting, refuse to think critically, and just continue to refer to Combined Reporting as "closing loopholes" because Gov. Patrick tells us to.


[ Parent ]
But if you yourself (4.50 / 2)
believe that combined reporting is "a better system," then why not support instituting it here in MA, instead of hurling insults at those who would do so?  Really, comments like yours don't add much to the conversation.

[ Parent ]
I do fully support Combined Reporting in MA (5.00 / 1)
I also fully oppose arguments by those who have no understanding of what Combined Reporting is and think that we should close "loopholes" because "mean" corporations aren't paying their "fair" share.  Corporations are doing exactly what they should be doing under a separate entity reporting system, minimizing their taxes in order to maximize their $$.  Almost half the states in the country have combined reporting.  States that have made the deliberate decision not to institute combined reporting cannot whine about tactics that their tax system incentivizes.  

Dumbing down the debate over Combined Reporting also doesn't add much to the conversation.


[ Parent ]
Then why not enlighten us with your wisdom (4.50 / 2)
and write up a post explaining what it is, and why it's a good idea?  Do I have to spell it out for you?

[ Parent ]
OK (0.00 / 0)
You mean a post like this:
http://www.bluemassgroup.com/s...

Or maybe this:
http://www.bluemassgroup.com/s...

Or perhaps more like this:
http://www.bluemassgroup.com/s...

Shouldn't the burden fall on you to understand what Combined Reporting is before you decide to support it?  


[ Parent ]
Those are comments. (4.50 / 2)
Comments are short, and don't get much attention.  Write up a "user post."  Explain what combined reporting is, and why it's a good idea.  Who knows, maybe it'll end up on the front page?

[ Parent ]
Comments/user post (0.00 / 0)
I seem to recall that gary had some usful comments on this issue some months back.  If I recall correctly, the impact on state revenue is unclear, because combined reporting might have the effect of decreasing taxes for certain taxpayers, as well as increasing taxes for Wal-Mart.  So we could wind up sticking it to Wal-Mart and having less revenue on April 15.

Those were the issues that, to me, need to be addressed carefully.  Instead, we hear about "loopholes" which, to me, has about as much appeal as the car-counting casino promotion argument.

Also, I think that the loopholes angle has already failed in the legislature, so if the governor actually wants to adopt this policy, he is going to need to come at it a different way.

P.S.

I wish that there were a better search function; I can't ever seem to locate old posts or comments when I want to.


[ Parent ]
re your PS, (0.00 / 0)
so do I.

[ Parent ]
OK, I will write up a post making my case for Combined Reporting (0.00 / 0)
when I get a chance, probably not for a few days.  However, my other question still stands.  How did you decide to support Combined Reporting?  Don't you feel the need to have more than a very basic understanding of a complicated tax system before you can throw your support behind it?

[ Parent ]
Nah. (5.00 / 1)
Seriously, I have not seen anyone seriously argue against combined reporting -- every thoughtful (i.e., not written by Wal-Mart or the Chamber of Commerce) piece I've seen on it says it's a good idea. Steve Bailey likes it, for example, and our resident cranky conservative tax-man gary does as well.  So do you, and you claim to know a lot about it.  So until someone can explain why outfits like Wal-Mart should be able to drastically lower their tax bill at the expense of the states in which they choose to do business via shenanigans like those outlined in the post (and yes, they are shenanigans, albeit legal ones), I'm pretty comfortable with where I am.

[ Parent ]
That was the post (0.00 / 0)
I was referring to, above.  You obviously are more skilled with that crummy search engine than I am.

[ Parent ]
Well, (0.00 / 0)
I am a professional, after all!  Please don't try this at home.

[ Parent ]
Second one returned by google in response to (6.00 / 2)
site:www.bluemassgroup.com "by: gary" "Combined Reporting"


[ Parent ]
Wow. (0.00 / 0)
Wow.  Didn't know you could do that.  Cool.  I usually live on the simple front page of Google.

Google is f--king amazing.  It really is.

Thanks.


[ Parent ]
Cranky? (5.00 / 1)
F you.  I mean, moi?

[ Parent ]
I do have to say... (0.00 / 0)

... that this has been one of the more educational discussions (for met at least) on BMG in awhile, with a tolerable level of hostility and misrepresentation of others' comments.

Well done!

My contribution is that I still think it is reasonable to classify this matter as a loophole.  I'm using the definition of "A technicality that allows a person or business to avoid the scope of a law without directly violating the law."  

If, broadly speaking, we agree with PW's thought that the scope "of tax policy is broad base, low rate, simple taxes," then a mechanism that allows Wal-Mart et al. to do what they do, even if explicitly allowed in the depths of the tax code, fits the above definition, in my opinion.  Or is there consensus that loopholes must refer to unintended consequences?  I don't share that outlook.

It's not a big thing, but I don't think the Gov. is too out of bounds on the loophole characterization.  To us somewhat informed non-experts, it sure smells like a loophole, and combined reporting sure feels like a fairer solution, though of course the devil is in the details.


[ Parent ]
Not fair! (0.00 / 0)
That was a reasonable comment, in MHO, that did add to the discussion. A "loophole," suggests an exception. What Power Wheels and CMD are saying, I think, is that we are talking about making a revision to our tax code that will increase taxes on certain corporations.

As to whether or not they approve of the change, I don't think they have said. Oops, PW just did below.

In any event, it's not completely clear that we should increase taxes on Wal-Mart, or close a loophole, or whatever, just for the sake of doing it, in my opinion. The "disadvantage," argument you make it probably the strongest one, I think: why should we give our tax revenue, as it were, to some other state. There will, however, be consequences to such a change.

BMG: Reality-based commentary.


[ Parent ]
Helps small local businesses (5.00 / 2)
This seems like a loophole -- an exception -- to a company that is incorporated out of the state, with it more likely to be taken by a large corporation that has the staff to find something like this. It certainly doesn't sound like a "feature" of the laws -- if it was, then you could just check a box rather than setting up complex corporate structures.

I think the best reason for eliminating this is that it levels the playing field for smaller local businesses. Businesses who already have trouble competing with Wal-Mart because they don't have the same enormous purchasing power. Wal-Mart certainly does not need another advantage on their side.


[ Parent ]
Small business (0.00 / 0)
In Worcester county, there are an awful lot of larger, small businesses that have operations both in Massachusetts and in New Hampshire.  Fitchburg is awfully close to the border.  I'm sure it is the same in Lowell.

There is a mass of economic activity that occurs at scale larger than the "Mom & Pop" liquor stores that progressives were so eager to protect last year, and smaller than Wal-Mart.  It is these "regional" businesses that I suspect may absorb an inadvertent screwing by this latest crusade against Wal-Mart.


[ Parent ]
MA-NH businesses (6.00 / 2)
Combined Reporting would only affect entities that pay the MA Corp Excise Tax and have subsidiaries or affiliates that do not have any presence in MA.  Many small businesses are organized as partnerships, LLCs, S Corps, and other entities that are not subject to MA Corp Tax.  Other small business that are organized as Corporations do not have complicated structures with subsidiaries that don't have any presence in MA.

This is why the implementation of Combined Reporting along with a cut in the MA Corp tax rate should be a very palatable solution for all sides.  Overall it is estimated to raise revenue and it helps MA smaller businesses and multi-state businesses alike with lower rates.  The only businesses hurt are the ones who participate in the "shenanigans."

I've always thought that the ultimate goal of tax policy is broad base, low rate, simple taxes and Gov. Patrick's plan moves the MA Corp tax in that direction.


[ Parent ]
Combined reporting is fair and logically appropriate (5.00 / 1)
It's a logical system that, with proper apportionment results in a share of tax in each state the corporation does business.  I say that as a former E&Y tax guy who actually worked with the stuff.

That said, if the other states don't adopt it, it can be gamed, just like any complicated set of tax rules.  Also, notice that it is the minority state corporate tax system in the US.  Maybe that's because the other systems recognize that i) it can be gamed and ii) it can actually result in lower revenues in situation where, say, Mass has profitable operations but the combined unit is less profitable.  I saw that happen in California in the 1980s. Ironic really.

Also, Deval's cute tax ploy of calling it a loophole is marketing.  If you believe--as I do, and others in this thread--that a loophole is an unintended windfall, the clearly the current system is not a loophole.

Then you look at the Deval compromise.  He says, I'll take combined reporting then give you back a point or two in tax rate over the next comple of years. i.e. I'll take a billion now and give you back a few hundred million later. Trust me.

State's tax policy (never addressed) should be to create a simple, reasonably flat, low and broad tax rate, paying no favor to any particular industry, but rather letting the market decide which industry should do business here. Combined reporting with a 5% rate?  I'm there for you.

 


[ Parent ]
"Deval's cute tax ploy of calling it a loophole is marketing." (0.00 / 0)
Of course it's marketing!  Doesn't mean it's a bad idea.  Especially with the proposed cut in the corporate tax rate, this seems to me an eminently fair proposal that everyone should be able to get behind.  No, it doesn't cut the tax rate to 5%, but that's unrealistic.  Deval's proposal would be a big improvement on the current state of affairs -- helps all businesses (including small ones who only operate here or otherwise don't have the wherewithal to shuffle money around) by cutting the tax rate, while eliminating a loophole way in which big multi-state outfits like Wal-Mart can (legally) scam the system.

[ Parent ]
No it is a bad idea (0.00 / 0)
Selling a concept under false pretenses because the end justifies the means is probably always a bad idea.  

Mr. Patrick has muddied the waters of corporate tax policy by calling Combined Reporting a loophole, when it is most certainly not. PowerWheels is 100% on this, probably because he/she has experience in the corporate tax area.

While adopting the new method may, if associated with a reduced corporate rate, help smaller non-multistates, that's not how he framed the issue.

The issue should be corporate tax reform because the current system is complex and picks favorites (specifically multi-state and insurance and banking).  Let's fix it.

But, no, it's loopholes are evil. Let's close 'em.


[ Parent ]
I don't fault Wal-Mart for exploiting the tax law to their advantage (6.00 / 1)
I do fault them for lobbying against what sure appears to be a more equitable way of doing things (combined reporting).  

I don't pay the voluntary rate because I don't feel an obligation to subsidize your lower rate, and I sleep quite well by that.  However, I would not complain about paying the higher rate if that was required of everyone.  

I encourage everyone to go to the Tax Foundation and look at how MA stacks up in terms of state and local tax burden.  28th/50 in 2007.  We skew higher when you add in Fed taxes b/c we have so many goddamn rich people in the top brackets.  Only our Live Free or Die neighbors to the north have a lower state+local rate in New England.

So things could be worse.


[ Parent ]
It's just not defensible. (0.00 / 0)
This loophole needs to be closed.

If only (5.00 / 1)
If only we were fighting DiMassi over this, instead of casinos.

(and yes, "we" is the wrong pronoun for the second of those two options.)


Tax Loopholes (0.00 / 0)
Closing loopholes is a great idea. Politicians use tax loopholes are a form of payoff to their contributors, much the same way permitting is used. A low and simple corporate tax rate makes a level playing field for all companies and reduces the number of political favors being handed out.

Unfortunately, Gov Patrick while looking to reduce loopholes is not reducing tax revenues, but increasing them. Spending in the state is increasing. He needs greater fiscal displine as we head into a recession. Raising taxes in a recession is a horrible policy.







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