Support BMG PAC!
About BMG PAC
Make a secure credit card contribution using Google Checkout:
$
Or send a check to BMG PAC, PO Box 877, Medford, MA 02155.
View BMG PAC's latest disclosure report


Menu

Make a New Account

Username:

Password:



Forget your username or password?



FREE COPY OF BOB'S BOOK Barack Obama for Beginners to every 50th Facebook Friend!
BMG on Facebook

About
About us
Rules of the road - please read!
Formatting and multimedia tips
Email us
RSS feed

BMG TRAFFIC REPORT
Blue Mass. Swag
Creative Commons License

Event Calendar
February 2010
(view month)
S M T W R F S
* 01 02 03 04 05 06
07 08 09 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 * * * * * *
<< (add event) >>

Active Users
Currently 23 user(s) logged on.

Search




Advanced Search


Blog Roll
Massachusetts Left
.08 Acres
Below Boston
Berkshires Blog
Blue News Tribune
Chimes at Midnight
Eisenthal Report
Granby 01033
Health Care for All
Left in Lowell
MA lefty blogs
Marry in Mass.
Mass Engagement
Massachusetts Liberal
Michael Forbes-Wilcox
My Dedham
Progressive Mass.
Quriltai on the Shore
Ryan's Take
Someday I Will
ShrewsBuried
Talking Stoneham
The Fray
Universal hub

Differently-Winged
John Daley
Mass. Pro-Life
No Looking Backwards
Peter Porcupine
Pundit Review
Red Mass Group
Scaling the Hill 2010

Mass. Media
David S. Bernstein
Cambridge politics
CommonWealth Unbound
Globe bloggers
Herald bloggers
Hub Blog
Jon Keller
MassBeacon
Media Nation (Dan Kennedy)
Open Media Boston
Adam Reilly
Toll Talk (Mary Connaughton)
Weekly Dig Blog

Legal
ACS Blog
Balkinization
Election law
How Appealing
SCOTUSblog
Volokh Conspiracy

General
Accountable Strategies
Billionaires for Bush
Blue Works Better
Crooks and Liars
Daily Howler
Daily Kos
Democracy Arsenal
Eschaton (Atrios)
Glenn Greenwald
Grist (environment blog)
Hullabaloo (Digby)
LiberalOasis
MyDD
Oliver Willis
Pandagon
Political Animal
Political Critic
Political Wire
Poor Man
Progressive Blog Digest
Real Climate
Senate Guru
Swing State Project
Tapped
Talking Points Memo
Think Progress
Truth and Progress
Turn Maine Blue
Wonkette

www.BlueMassGroup.com

What's worse -- an actual bigot, or someone who pretends to be bigoted to make money?

by: David

Thu Feb 19, 2009 at 14:44:49 PM EST


This Phoenix article, by the always excellent Adam Reilly, is really astounding.  Howie Carr had Randy Price -- the openly gay, married to his husband, TV personality who was recently let go from his anchorman job at Channel 7 -- on his WRKO radio show recently.  You know, the radio show that is normally ground zero for

accompanying on-air references to homosexuality with a crude audio approximation of gay sex (the sound in question is actually former Boston city councilor David Scondras, who's gay, clearing his throat rather . . . emphatically).

Adam also reminds us about

Carr's occasional forays into gay-baiting (which, among other things, have included use of the phrase "sodomy lobby" in his Boston Herald column).

But, Adam reports, during Carr's nearly half-hour interview with Price, there was none of that.  No anti-gay slurs; no jokes about gay marriage even when Price mentioned his husband (for instance, he didn't "accidentally" refer to Price's "wife"); nothing about the "sodomy lobby" or "sodomites," as Howie's fond of saying in his columns, nothing.  Adam asked Howie why.

"I like Randy Price," Carr tells the Phoenix via e-mail. "I don't care about his sexual orientation - he's a good guy, he's a friend of mine, and I'm sorry he's gone. I offered to put in a good word for him at WTKK [96.9 FM] if he wants to try talk radio."
David :: What's worse -- an actual bigot, or someone who pretends to be bigoted to make money?
Wow.  I mean, like, wow.  So it's fine to make fun of anonymous gay people, belittle their struggles for same-sex marriage, and play the hilarious sodomy simulator on the radio ... but when it comes to an actual person, "I don't care about his sexual orientation - he's a good guy."

Price explains it this way:

"We go way back," Price says of Carr. "I know that part of Howie, and I think he plays that stuff because he finds it entertaining, but he's always been extremely nice and cordial to me. That's the only important thing in my mind, because I try to make it respectable to be who I am - an openly gay person who has a long-term relationship. He treats me with respect, and that goes a long way."

Personally, I wouldn't let Howie off that easy.  Howie's made a lot of money by playing up his "gays are icky" act (which apparently is indeed an act).  But talk-radio shenanigans actually do have consequences in the real world.  Price, who according to Adam "has a lengthy history of activism on behalf of Boston's gay community," is perhaps just trying to be polite, but he should find a way of letting Howie know that it's not enough just to say that "some of my best friends are gay."

Congratulations to Adam Reilly for some excellent media reporting on this.

Tags: , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
Howie Pretends (0.00 / 0)
a great deal.  The "Man of the People" is a Deerfield Academy grad who went to UNC Chapel Hill, don't forget.

"Metaphors be with you."  Yoda to Robert Frost

And who lives in leafy Wellesley. (6.00 / 4)
In a big house with a "terrace overlooking his swimming pool."

"Man of the people" indeed.  He loves to poke at liberals who, he seems to think, all have trust funds (if only....), but if anyone's got a trust fund around here, it's most likely his kids.

Reality is, he knows full well that most liberals don't have trust funds and are a lot less wealthy than he is.  But again, it's all because his shtick sells.  Which is why he can live in leafy Wellesley with a terrace that overlooks his swimming pool.


[ Parent ]
He reminds me of someone..... (0.00 / 0)
Ah, yes.  I believe Lovey's on the terrace that overlooks the pool....



 


[ Parent ]
Looks just like Cheney (5.00 / 1)
Or am I the only one who sees the resemblance.

BMG: Reality-based commentary.

[ Parent ]
Sounds like Mike Barnicle, (0.00 / 0)
another "Man of the People." Who lives in Dover.

[ Parent ]
Next you'll be telling us Sean Hannity is a closet liberal. (0.00 / 0)
I've never heard of an on air person having traits which are not consistent with their off air personalities (like Randy Price?).

Baker/Tisei in 2010... Charlie Baker on why people "have been" leaving MA, "It's not the weather here, it's the climate"

What about Stephen Colbert? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Stephen Colbert's persona is satire. (0.00 / 0)
Colbert is satirizing the idiocy of Bill O'Reilly.  

Howie Carr is not satirizing anybody.  He's merely displaying his own idiocy.  

 


[ Parent ]
I don't think David's suggesting anyone's a closet liberal (5.50 / 2)
just that Howie's a scumbag douchebag greedy, pandering asshole asshat.  

---
My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
You forgot (6.00 / 2)
based on his apparent regard for Randy Price, "greedy, pandering, hypocritical asshat."  

 

[ Parent ]
what's inconsistent about Randy Price? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
good guys shouldn't dignify the slime shows (0.00 / 0)
Personally, I wouldn't let Howie off that easy.

I wouldn't let Randy Price off that easy either.

This is analogous to Glenn Greenwald's recent appearance on the Michael Savage radio show.  Greenwald is an excellent, courageous investigative journalist on salon.com. He afflicts the comfortable and the crooked. I've become a great fan. He guested on Bill Moyers' Journal recently and Moyers is in my upper pantheon of journalism greats.

I emailed Greenwald, identifying myself as a fan of his and asking why he dignified a vile, lowlife bottom-feeder like Savage by appearing on his show. He replied honestly and non-defensively that he was still not sure if he should have done it but that his natural inclination is to say yes when invited to offer his views. He had prior agreement from the Savage show that Savage was not going to debate him and this was important to Greenwald as said he would have felt dirty if he had stooped to fight on-air with Savage.  I replied to him that, to the contrary, I would have been fine with him appearing on the Savage show if he did debate with him, as Savage truly needs telling off.

Howie Carr is down there, pretty close to Savage in my categorization of talk hosts.  Neither is a serious journalist - they are about shock, insult, innuendo and sarcasm. Randy Price did the wrong thing, as did Glenn Greenwald, in dignifying this kind of show with his presence. Classy + slimy = bad combo.


I don't think you should be one of the millions who do listen to Howie. (0.00 / 0)
Just don't listen... hit the easy button.

Baker/Tisei in 2010... Charlie Baker on why people "have been" leaving MA, "It's not the weather here, it's the climate"

[ Parent ]
Right (0.00 / 0)
Because no one has the right to object to the damage people like Carr...we should just shut up and not listen.

Left in Lowell: cuz why read the Lowell Sun if you don't have to? ;)

[ Parent ]
Er, (0.00 / 0)
Damage people like Carr inflict.

Left in Lowell: cuz why read the Lowell Sun if you don't have to? ;)

[ Parent ]
I channel-hop in the car and (0.00 / 0)
... occasionally listen to a minute or two of the likes of Carr, Limbaugh, Savage, etc. A minute or two is all I can stand.

[ Parent ]
But hubspoke (0.00 / 0)
You should just not listen and shut up about it! You have no right to criticize his free speech!

Left in Lowell: cuz why read the Lowell Sun if you don't have to? ;)

[ Parent ]
There are conservative and liberal talk shows on TV... (0.00 / 0)
but not too many on the radio (they all sucked and nobody listened). However, as much as I hate Keith Booberman and Rachel Maddow, I would never want them taken off the air. I would rather not watch and hope the ratings drop low enough for them to fall off the air.

And If I started ranting about how much I despise them or their shows, I would fully expect people on this site to suggest I not listen to their shows.

A difference I've noticed between liberals and conservatives... liberals want to spend conservative's money, while we have no want for your money... while liberals want to ban conservative talk but conservatives don't want to stop liberal talk on the air.

Baker/Tisei in 2010... Charlie Baker on why people "have been" leaving MA, "It's not the weather here, it's the climate"


[ Parent ]
'liberals want to ban conservative talk' (0.00 / 0)
Ahem,... where do you see this?  I know there are plenty of people talking as if there is some super secret plan to reinstate the fairness doctrine.  It must be super secret though because there are no policy proposals out there to do so.  Besides which, even if it were to come back, it wouldn't actually be a 'ban'.

I submit that you'd actually have a hard time finding examples that back up your impression and that you're impressions in this matter are actually wrong.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)


[ Parent ]
You're right that, in general, this is a bogus claim, (0.00 / 0)
Especially as it pertains to outright banning of speech, which of course would be unconstitutional. However, I submit that the recent BMG conversation about Boston.com taking down its comments section was primarily a response to the conservative bent of many of its more prolific (and admittedly irritating) commenters, and thus the discussion trended toward the borderline of what JohnD might be suggesting.

[ Parent ]
I see where you are coming from... (0.00 / 0)
... but I think there is an important distinction here.  In the case of Boston.com, the speech rights in question were the speech rights of the Globe, not the commenters.  The comments page is a billboard or forum entirely at the discretion of the owners and their decisions about how to exercise their free speech rights.  Liberals and conservatives alike are also free to complain about or praise the way in which the Globe handles it's public space, but not on the grounds that anyone but the Globe's free speech rights are in question.  As such, if liberals want to complain about the manner of a particular website, they are of course free to do so.  As annoying as the LGF or FR are, nobody is suggesting that they should somehow be made illegal but they are certainly allowed to criticize the content therein.  Similarly so, people can praise, if they so desire, the Globe for a decision (however temporary it actually was) to keep comments off of an article.

It's the difference between censorship and criticism.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)


[ Parent ]
Wouldn't be the first time... (0.00 / 0)
...someone's views of a group are different from, but for some strange reason not informed by, their more positive impressions of and interactions with individuals of that group.  I've even heard that Hitler was acquainted with a handful of, in his words, "good Jews".

Or like John Tuturro's pizza guy in "Do the Right Thing"- (0.00 / 0)
who didn't let his admiration for African-American athletes and entertainers disabuse him of his racist notions. Anybody remember that?

[ Parent ]
In college (0.00 / 0)
my friend from the South told me that Southeners hated/feared black folks but loved/cared for individuals.  So you had Klaners who'd have a black "friend."  My friend said the North seemed the opposite, where folks loved/cared for black folks but hated/feared individual blacks.  I'm wondering if this is true and/or a common trope.

"Metaphors be with you."  Yoda to Robert Frost

[ Parent ]
That matches... (0.00 / 0)
... some of what I encountered down then when I lived there as a kid.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

[ Parent ]
definitely (0.00 / 0)
I think that's a common perception among some southerners. I had someone explain it to me like this:

"Down south, we hate them as a group and love them as individuals. Up north, you love them as a group and hate them as individuals."

I almost asked him if they lynched them as individuals or as a group, but he was senior to me at work and I wasn't quite as ballsy then as I am now.

Somewhat off topic... the friends I have from the south who are of a liberal bent seem to have a really dry sense of humor about race relations and say some things satirically that would be really misconstrued if you didn't know them well. For example, the day of the Massachusetts primary, one of these friends said to me, "I voted for the negro."


[ Parent ]
There was another common expression. . . (0.00 / 0)
that basically communicated the same idea. In the South, white people didn't care how close black people got, as long as they didn't get too high. In the North, white people didn't care how high black people got, just as long as they didn't get too close.

[ Parent ]
I was recently in Tampa on a golf trip. (0.00 / 0)
I have no love for native Floridians. Lots of white trash people. While out to dinner one night we sat beside a group of 4 "native Floridians" mid twenties, baseball caps while eating, unshaven, loud and half drunk. They were very loud and would alternate between loud swears (F bombs) and the infamous N-word. The table on the other side of me had 5 black guys and the restaurant was sprinkled with black couples and families. As much as you guys think I hate blacks... I was wincing every time one of these a-holes let out a F'ing N-word. But I was watching the black guys as well as the manager of the place and nobody even blinked! Nothing! When the 4 a-holes finally left, the waitress gave them a hug like they were regulars and off they went. It was amazing.

I know this was only one place but it left me with the opinion that race relations down there, racial sensitivity and maybe civility in general is a lot different than up our way. Maybe this North/South characterization is very true.

Baker/Tisei in 2010... Charlie Baker on why people "have been" leaving MA, "It's not the weather here, it's the climate"


[ Parent ]
Racial folkways here in the United States, (0.00 / 0)
This particular quote:

"I don't care how close you get, don't go too high"

was/is part of the racial follkways in the Old South here in the United States.

This quote, however:

It doesn't matter how high you get, just don't get too close"

has always been indicate of the presently existing racial folkways here in much of the North.



[ Parent ]
Maybe Talk Radio is a lot like Professional Wrestling... (5.00 / 1)
in which case, shame on us for taking any of it seriously.

Yes. It is first and foremost "entertainment." That is why they are popular. (6.00 / 2)
Of course Howie is a BS artist.  That goes with the territory.  I am guessing that so-called liberal talk radio has not been successful because it is too serious about the issues.  

[ Parent ]
Ever heard (0.00 / 0)
Stephanie Miller?

And actually, liberal talk is often pretty successful, but even sometimes when it outperforms the conservative talk shows in an area, it still gets taken down (like in Boston). So much for market forces.

Left in Lowell: cuz why read the Lowell Sun if you don't have to? ;)


[ Parent ]
Hey, you just gave Carr free advertising, too - ! (0.00 / 0)
Remember, in the Media Biz, there is NO bad ink.

And Carr is soley about ratings to maximize his pay.  I have ZERO idea what Carr actually cares about or believes in other than how much $$$ he gets paid.

Deborah Sirotkin Butler
AmberPaw dot @aol.com

"Failure to plan is planning to fail."
Proverb


so what else is new? (0.00 / 0)
all homophobes have their pet gay.  phyllis schlaffley has her son, sarah palin and john mccain have unnamed "good" friends and campaign lackeys, etc.  it allows the homophobes to deny the bigot label to themselves.

whether someone is a genuine hater or just fakes it is immaterial because the result is the same.  anyone who makes a career and/or money off of degrading others is the lowest form of slime, no better than the cold santorum on howie's face.

btw, a correction: that "sodomy" sound effect carr uses isn't scondras, it's carr's wife no. 2, kathy.

Click HERE and sign up: Campaign For Military Partners.


Franky, I think that someone who's probably NOT a bigot, (0.00 / 0)
but who exploits bigotry for their own ends, or making money, is probably more dangerous than somebody who is an actual bigor.  The (late) Boston School Committeewoman, Louise Day Hicks comes very much to mind here.  I think that she's an example of somebody who, while she probably didn't even believe what she was preaching to her white workingclass constituents in Boston, exploited it for her own ends.  That's what made her so dangerous, imho.




I support WWF


Political insider ad network Law blog ad network
Advertise Liberally









Powered by: SoapBlox