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Aloisi: "This is the moment"

by: Charley on the MTA

Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 16:48:15 PM EST


Here Transportation Secretary Jim Aloisi performs a stirring number from "Jekyll and Hyde"

Last night, Secretary of Transportation Jim Aloisi called for a sense of urgency in reorganizing and reviving the state's transport bureacracies. "This is the moment," he said. The plan to take down the tolls outside 128 and raise the gas tax 19 cents, he said, cannot wait until next year. The MBTA faces a $165 million operating deficit, the T and the Turnpike face crippling debt, and many regional transit authorities are facing deficits and cutting services. And in 2010, he pointed out, many politicians will be averse to raising the gas tax in an election year.

I asked about the MBTA pension system. "23-and-out" (23 years of service = fully-vested pension) is gone; instead 55 will be the new retirement age. That may be an improvement, although it doesn't seem particularly Spartan to me. Aloisi does not expect to run into labor disputes over reforming the T's pensions; but made it sound like dealing with labor issues at the Turnpike will be on a case-by-case basis.

Governor Patrick famously quipped that Aloisi "knows where the bodies are buried"; among other things, Patrick seemed to be referring to legislators' tendency to stash friends and relatives at the Turnpike -- famously and extensively documented by Howie Carr. It will be interesting to see how Aloisi deals with the inside-the-building politics of getting rid of this old beloved custom.

Famously or infamously, the new plan envisions a Vehicle Mile Traveled tracking program, in which RFID chips are used to measure how much a vehicle is driven. Aloisi says this comes out of a concern that gas tax revenue may shrink as consumers move to more efficient cars, even as they continue to use roads and public transit. He compared reliance on the gas tax to the MBTA's share of a penny on the sales tax: As sales tax revenue has declined, the MBTA has been stuck with that falling revenue. The Vehicle Mile Traveled (VMT) fee would be creditable against the gas tax, in this scheme.

Aloisi insisted that privacy would be maintained, that the state would not misuse the data; and expressed relief that this system has been piloted (though not universally implemented) in Oregon, and is apparently feasible -- at least technically. We'll see about the politics. As Ezra Klein serendipitously writes today about VMT, "Crap. This is hard to sell." Still, we might do well to keep an open mind, noting well the necessity to plan for future diminishing revenues for un-diminished demand for services.

More later.

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Aloisi insisted that privacy would be maintained, that the state would not misuse the data (0.00 / 0)
"You can trust me . . . I'm not like the others."

As a proponent of individual rights, this makes me sick to my stomach.  That someone would actually be cool with placing what amounts to a tracking device in each and every private vehicle registered in Massachusetts means that person is no lover of liberty.  No amount of polish is going to spiffen up that turd.


Come, come! President-to-Be Jeb Bush applauds Obama's efforts to implement this at the Federal level as well! (6.00 / 2)
Didn't youse guys learn anything from the President Kerry law?  Lucky thing Deval is restrained as Sen. Kennedy fails.

Do not implement a system unless you're comfortable with your worst political enemy having acccess to it as well - Porcupine's Law

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican


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There is no political party (0.00 / 0)
that is capable of such wisdom.  If they were, they would no longer be political parties.

[ Parent ]
We Will Protect Privacy (6.00 / 1)
When I considered recommending a VMT pilot, I looked to what Oregon is doing in this area.  With specific respect to privacy, the Oregon DOT reports that their program is designed to protect against accidental or intentional invasion of privacy.  From the ODOT report:
"The concept requires no transmission of vehicle travel locations, either in 'real time' or of travel history.  Accordingly, no travel location points are stored within the vehicle or transmitted elsewhere. Thus there can be no tracking of vehicle movements. Secured short distance transfer of mileage data occurs at the time of fueling."  

The Oregon system involves a gps receiver, that was designed "not to send an identifying signal out from the on-vehicle device to mark real time travel. Thus, no one would have the ability to track a vehicle's movements while it was underway or parked.  ODOT also designed the on-vehicle device not to retain any travel history."

These representations have led me to believe that a system can be put into place that protects the privacy of people, in a durable and effective way.  I am committed to doing so in any system we develop here in massachusetts.

Jim Aloisi


[ Parent ]
While we have you here may I ask a question and raise my concerns (6.00 / 1)
I do not want to pick apart your response here but I see a flaw in your logic that I can not get past in my thinking that VMT is a tracking device that will or could intrude on our personal freedom.

First; each transponder will have a unique code Correct?

Second; when the transponder is logging in it will be to a specific cell tower that will be in range of the service station they are getting gas at correct?

Third; won't this kind of system require you to keep some type of verification of the mileage your basing the tax bill on?

Fourth; what kind of regulations does Oregon have that would prevent the subpoena of those records and would this be similar to how they are using Cell systems to track calls and locations?

Fifth; how do you access tax on cars from other states that may not participate and what about federal and cars and trucks from our neighbors to the north Canada are we going to just leave them to voluntarily report?

I do realize you are just looking at this system and the pros and cons I do not wish to only suggest cons and throw cold water on your idea but considering the numbers of liberties we have surrendered over the last 8 years. My self-protection mode is qued up.

I would love to see your evolving discussion of these issues as you move forward and thank you for joining us here on BMG.

As Usual just my Opinions



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With all due respect (0.00 / 0)
The government telling me that they will protect privacy reminds me of the old saw about a scorpion and a frog trying to cross a river.  The scorpion can't swim, so he asks if he can ride on the frog's back while the frog swims across.

"But you'll sting me," complains the frog.  

"No I won't," promises the scorpion, "because you're helping me out."  

So reluctantly the frog agrees, and halfway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog.  Soon the frog is dying, and hence, they're both slipping under the water's surface.

"Why did you sting me?" asks the frog.  "You promised me you wouldn't, but you did.  Now we're both going to die."

"Because I'm a scorpion," he says.

In other words, Mr. Aloisi, I don't give a great goddamn about any of your promises, or any of the promises the government has made to the great unwashed.  Your record---the royal you, of course---of breaking those promises has to approach 95%.  You can talk until your blue in the face about how this system is designed to protect against accidental or intentional invasion of privacy, but those of us in the private sector---in technology, at that---know that where there is a will, there is definitely a way, especially when it comes to data collection and data mining.

Sorry.

Your proposal is a direct affront to personal liberty.  It vomits all over the spirit of Samuel Adams, Joseph Warren, and all of those patriots who made New England the cradle of American liberty.  Go back to the drawing board:  a proposal that abrogates personal liberty for the purpose of increased taxation is fundamentally unsound.  Would you care to give your political opponents the same sort of power to trample personal liberty in furtherance of their cheap political goals?


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The VMT is a bad idea (0.00 / 0)
If the objective is to charge MA residents for distance driven in MA, why not simply charge a slightly smaller amount per mile and use the odometer reading at the annual inspection to set the charge.  Sure, that would collect money from out-of-state use of the automobile, but it would avoid a costly system that would be made unnecessary by the existing odometer system.  And it would not have the concern of where the driver went, just how far.


Pension (0.00 / 0)
I asked about the MBTA pension system. "23-and-out" (23 years of service = fully-vested pension) is gone; instead 55 will be the new retirement age. That may be an improvement, although it doesn't seem particularly Spartan to me.

Questions I have of Mr. A:

Hardly Spartan, to say the least.  Retirement at age 55! Amazing isn't it, that this is passed off as reform.

Then, the plan is to roll new hires into the State pension.  Helloooo! Isn't the State pension also out of control?  Ok, so MBTA is out of control times 10.  Like taking a junkie on crack and putting him on heroin.  There, fix fixed.  When is the pension reform coming? Remind me.

All this talk about 'he knows where the bodies are buried'.  I'm not very Politically Correct, but geez, to find out where the body's buried, just read Milena Del Valle's obit, and let's agree to drop that phrase as it applies to the Pike.

Transportation reform.  Layoffs? How can you have meaningful reform absent headcount reductions. I read that Mr. Alosi cares about people.  How about taxpayer people?

Transportation has, as I recall, a statutory share of the sales tax.  The gas tax replaces the dwindling sales tax.  When sales tax recovers, should we anticipate a reduction in the sales tax rate?  

What will become of the Pike Tollsters? Again, no headcount reductions?

Pension's gold-plated.  But would you look at the medical?! MBTA retirees pay a whopping 10% of their medical coverage.  Any changes proposed there?

Pension fund balance.  As I recall, the MBTA is something like $1.8 billion underfunded as of LAST YEAR! Imagine where it stands now after the stockmarket chaos! How do we make that up, if all new hires are rolled into the State Plan and there's no current contributions coming in?  


He said repeatedly that there would be headcount reductions. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
If true (0.00 / 0)
If accurate, then does that put his plan in conflict with the Legislature's plan and if not, aren't both plans just moving costs around:

The plan (0.00 / 0)
does not call for anyone to lose their job.  There is the possibility that we can cut back on some of the consultants and lawyers we are currently paying enormous fees to, but we do not expect anyone to be laid off as a result of this plan.

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by: Steve Baddour @ Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 08:58:25 AM EST

 

[ Parent ]
Will the "head count reductions" have the same inpact... (0.00 / 0)
...as the police detail reforms?  Has ANYONE spotted a private flagman that has replaced a police detail?  I've read about them, but my lying eyes has not seen one yet.

And the same is true with the GIC scam that requires a 70% union vote to join the plan...how many towns or regaional school systems have joined...a tiny fraction.

So far I ahven't seen any reforms, I've seen smoke-screens.  I hate it when I'm on the Gary/Peter side of the argument (which is why I like hanging out at RMG, I seldom have to worry about that...if if they're on my side over there...it's the left-side).  

Nope.  We're going to get 1% reforms and 99% business as usual.      


[ Parent ]
Tollsters (0.00 / 0)
Toll-ster  (toll'-ster), n. a member of a gang of transportation agencies bureaucrats.  See mobster.

[ Parent ]
Symptom (0.00 / 0)
The whole cost thing is symptomatic of the bigger problem:  

Can't touch benefits and salaries in Transportation; it cuts across too many unions who'll organize a vote against you.

Can't touch education.  Darn Mass teachers association union.

Can't touch police (did you know there are over 170 police hired by the Pike, receiving an average of $150K per year?). Unions.

Government has created organizations they now can't control.

Where then to cut costs? It pretty much leaves the poor who haven't figured out how to organize.  That's why Medicaid benefits are cut, homeless shelters, etc... Easier to raise tax because the taxpayers, because the politicians gamble, have short memories.  

Unions have continuous memories, taxpayers have short memories, poor have irrelevant memories.


[ Parent ]
And yes, MBTA health care will be phased out and they'll go on GIC like everyone else. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
GIC (0.00 / 0)
But who will pay for the GIC? Still 10% contributory?

[ Parent ]
Gary - they may go up to that whopping 15% level. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
I'm dying here (0.00 / 0)
Did anyone see the latest Pike Union raises: 10% over 3 years. The State, in the face of negative growth is awarding raises in excess of GDP in a good year.

[ Parent ]
Raises awarded by Arbiter (0.00 / 0)
The raises you refer to were awarded through arbitration, not by the Turnpike.  The Turnpike is in the process of appealing the decision.

And in response to an earlier post above concerning GIC, the Governor has included in his last two budgets a sliding scale, based on salary, that would increase the employee health care contribution to make it more in line with those in the private sector.


[ Parent ]
Yes on gas tax; no on the Vehicle Mile Traveled tracking program (6.00 / 5)
Yes on the gas tax increase. It's the most equitable solution, and the new level isn't all that onerous if you compare it to the last time it was increased.

No on an RFID chip. It's a potential privacy nightmare, and that's beside the issue of whether the government should be able tracking citizens' activities. Who is going to assure the security of this system? How do we know that others won't be able to read the data?

Not to mention we shouldn't be penalizing people for driving fuel-efficient cars, and charging a gas guzzler the same as a small car. Isn't that rather counterintuitive? The gas tax deals effectively with those issues, without the privacy problems.

No on retirement at 55. 60 would be overly generous compared to the rest of the nation's workers; 55 is simply not economically feasible.


generally (0.00 / 0)
it saves money when people retire at 55, at least when pensions come into play. but I agree, 60 isn't too onerous if it doesn't.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
What? (0.00 / 0)
"it saves money when people retire at 55, at least when pensions come into play"

How do you figure that?


[ Parent ]
Get the people making the bigger bucks to retire earlier (0.00 / 0)
fill in those spots with people at the bottom of the pay scale. If there's mbta employees making $65-70k after having worked there for 20+ years, you're going to save a lot of money if you can replace that worker with a new employee who makes $30-35k. Many a company and government have tried to get people to retire earlier. It does save costs.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
That would be true IF they entered at lower pay. (0.00 / 0)
They aren't.  They don't start at Grade One and work up anymore - they start at Grade Three and rise.

The state has lost money on EVERY incentive.  

Ryan - when they leave at 55, and live another 25 years, money flows out, with automatic COLA's, and no more is contributed.  

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican


[ Parent ]
And the extra ten years of payout (0.00 / 0)
with no contributions doesn't set this off?  That would be surprising.

Pensions and retirement at 55 seems to me like government as Santa Claus.


[ Parent ]
A test of evolution (0.00 / 0)
Allow all these 55 years to retire, and measure how long it takes them to evolve into slugs. What an unimaginable policy.  Yet another example of government encouraging bad behaviour.  

Give a 55 year old guy the chance to vegetate on the couch at the taxpayers' expense and plenty will take it.


[ Parent ]
The pension money counts (5.00 / 1)
If a 55 year-old "retires" with a salary of $70K and gets 80% of that for his pension, and you hire a person at $35K to replace him - then you are paying 0.8 X $70K + $35K = $91K, and now are paying health care and other premiums for 2 instead of 1.

Don't drink that cool-aid!


[ Parent ]
Not impressed (0.00 / 0)
VMT is being passed off by some as one of those cool, new, hip ideas, but in reality all it is to me is very, very is crreeeeeppy - Patriot Act/illegally wiretapping creepy. I don't care about Aloisi's instance. After all, here's what George Bush had to say about wiretapping 2 years after this country started to illegally wiretap millions of private citizens' phone calls:

"By the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order... When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do."

No thanks.

Plus, the idea of a 19 cent gas tax increase that doesn't remove the tolls that are pissing people off every day is a political loser. I don't think people are opposed to raising the gas tax if it means closing the tolls, even a hefty raise that goes well above and beyond what we need to pay off the big dig, but if we see a big hike that doesn't close the tolls, say hello to Governor Baker.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


Let's Talk Specifics (0.00 / 0)
Let me get this straight - and let's talk specifics.  As the Governor outlined today, it costs 15 cents to take down the tolls on the Turnpike.  So you are arguing that unless we raise the gas tax 34 cents (The 19 cents we proposed plus 15 cents to take down the tolls), we can say hello to Governor Baker?

Wow, that is some interesting logic.      


[ Parent ]
Well here's my issue with your boss and my governor (0.00 / 0)
I can see DP playing poker -- he's the guy who either folds or goes all-in.  The proposed changes he offers: how about doubling the tolls?  That won't work.  THREE Casinos.  Nope.  Pumping the gas tax up by 19 cents?  Really?

Why does he have to do one really big thing to solve this issue?  Couldn't he just raise the tolls by a quarter, the gas tax by 5 cents and put a 15 dollar road-deterioration surcharge on speeding tickets given on state highways?  Even better, give all these changes a lil sunshine clause so in a couple years we can re-think it maybe when times are looking better.  

I think it's time that DP slows plays his pocket Aces.  


[ Parent ]
Actually, I suspect he played us. (5.00 / 1)
There was talk about a range of numbers.  I forget the minimum but the max was 27.  All week we've been hearing about the number 27.   27. 27. 27. twenty seven.  Now he comes out with 19.  19 sure sounds nice in the context that's been stirred up this week.  Somebody seems to have figured out that pain is relative, and 19 is harsh, unless it's relative to 27.


"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

[ Parent ]
Nope nope nope! (0.00 / 0)
He hasn't played anyone.  You caught it, right?  I caught the same thing.  From what I've seen on the news, nobody is going "TWENTY-SEVEN? oh oh, oh good, 19.  That's better."

[ Parent ]
Maybe he meant "us" ...... not "us" (0.00 / 0)
Clearly a tactical move, Always has been. Works the same way when dealing with cuts in spending growth.

[ Parent ]
Transparancy (6.00 / 2)
Actually, the Governor has been quite clear in his public remarks that he has been reviewing obtions for the gas tax that range from 4 cents to well above the 27 cents that was unfortunately leaked last week.  When he announced his plan yesterday, he presented openly and honestly all of the neglected and unmet needs in our transportation system - and placed the chart online for everyone to see.

In detailing the 19 cent increase, he described how each penny will be used and what decisions he made.  I can't imagine it could be more open and transparent - but let me know if you disagree.


[ Parent ]
VMT (0.00 / 0)
OK, I hear the resistance to it, and I understand it, and even feel it myself. However, the reason it's being floated is a strong one: The gas tax revenue may well go down -- particularly if the world economy recovers and fuel prices rise again. Meanwhile we've still got to fund the things the gas tax will fund.

One might ask, So why don't we just deal with that when it happens? That may well waste the moment we've got right now to deal with it, and precipitate a future revenue "crisis" -- forseeable, of course.

So let's think constructively -- what's the solution?  

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Blue Mass. Group
So what politics do you deserve?


transponder (4.00 / 1)
So ... I have a FastLane transponder. Love that thing.

Is the GPS doodad different? In kind or degree?

Just askin'.

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Blue Mass. Group
So what politics do you deserve?


[ Parent ]
very different (0.00 / 0)
1. you choose to have a transponder, many don't. No one will choose to have a VMT; it would be forced on us.
2. The transponder only kicks in when you pass tolls. That tells you the government a lot less than GPS.

If revenue from the gas tax goes down in the future, raise the gas tax. Problem solved. "Well, that's just raising taxes!" Gary will say. Um, yeah, and how is that any different than the VMT? Pretty much the rest of the developed world has a vastly higher gas tax - we can continue to go up if it's necessary, should revenue fall in the future.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
Here is some more... (0.00 / 0)
... salient Ezra:
Just so we're clear, trying to institute a vehicle miles traveled tax would be a stupid idea. Though the privacy concerns are not, in practice, insurmountable, it's hard to imagine a plan where the government tracks your driving by satellite in order to tax you moves forward in Congress.

Put that way, it's unsellable anyway.  And they will put it that way.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)


[ Parent ]
Another factor... (6.00 / 2)
...is it's relative stability compared to gas prices.  

Ezra:

Crap. This is hard to sell.

In the interview with the Associated Press, LaHood set the vmt in opposition to a gasoline tax, which he "firmly opposes," at least during the current recession. There's some logic to that. Gasoline is a very visible, and very unpredictable, cost. Every summer, particularly in recent years, the price of fuel becomes a tier one political issue, in large part because it rises so much from the winter. It's hard to imagine a gasoline tax being sustained. Vehicle miles traveled, by contrast, is both steadier and less visible. The orange line on the following graph is the price of gas while the red line is vmt:

Vehicle miles traveled just has that silky smoothness, you know? Which makes it less galling for taxpayers. It's also got a nice internal logic: LaHood is arguing for the tax in order to fund infrastructure -- and in particular, highway -- construction. The heaviest drivers -- both in terms of frequency and car weight -- exert the heaviest wear-and-tear on the roads. Why shouldn't they pay?

I think on balance, it's negatives might sell me on axing the idea.  In particular, I think the overhead will suck at making this revenue stream efficient.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)


[ Parent ]
stability is certainly an issue, (0.00 / 0)
but one that we can work around, if we put our minds to it. Creating a gas tax that was higher than we actually thought we needed in a typical year, leaving some in a 'highway rainy day fund' type account for the bad years would, to me, be a reasonable and good idea.

My biggest problem with VMT isn't even the Orwellian nature of it - it's the fact that it would tax my Honda Civic like my dad's Chevy Suburban. Unacceptable.

Plus, how is it going to be enforceable? It would seem to me to be very easy to pluck the gps device out.

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
The gas tax is just as "stable" (0.00 / 0)
Nice chart, but gas-tax revenues have a similar relationship to gasoline prices.

Gas is taxed per gallon, not per dollar, so those revenues do not jump all around like the price of a gallon does.

Plot the gas-tax revenues and the line would look a lot like the VMT line.


[ Parent ]
See above. (0.00 / 0)


"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

[ Parent ]
oops... meant 'below' (0.00 / 0)


"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

[ Parent ]
By the time we "need" VMT (6.00 / 1)
count on it, something important will have changed. Maybe technology, as those intrusive, spoofable, crackable RIFD chips are replaced by something 2.0. Maybe our infrastructure needs will be very different. Maybe something we can't anticipate yet.

So sure, let's be forward thinking, but let's be humble about it and not solve problems we don't understand because they aren't here yet. Or, in your terms, let's not waste the moment we've got by introducing unpopular complications that may not even be necessary.


[ Parent ]
the solution (5.00 / 1)
is the gas tax. You seem to think the VMT is different. It's not. The only difference is the VMT rewards drivers who buy SUVs, whereas the gas tax penalizes them.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
the solution (0.00 / 1)
is the gas tax. You seem to think the VMT is different. It's not. The only difference is the VMT rewards drivers who buy SUVs, whereas the gas tax penalizes them.  

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My thoughts are mine and mine alone. They should not be considered representative of any other organization, group or person - save me.

~Ryan.


[ Parent ]
Why do you think that the revenue stream for gas tax is unstable? (6.00 / 5)
Have you seen numbers on gasoline consumption in America?

source: EIA

See that light blue line.  That's gasoline consumption in America.  How is that anything but steady growth over a fifty year horizon?  Does anybody who's actually looked at the data really think that gasoline consumption will go down substantially in the next ten years?  I sure don't.  Now, if gasoline consumption goes down because use goes down, costs go down too -- so instead lets look at MPG.  The danger to gas tax revenue isn't decreased consumption (requiring less money to build and maintain roads), but less money per mile traveled.  So, MPG over time:

source: EIA

See that black line.  That's total fleet fuel economy in America.  Notice the line actually declines over the past 15 years or so?  Who is worried that that line will suddenly go shooting upward?  I'm not.  There is neither data nor policy to suggest that it will.  There's just no data.


But, if politicians are genuinely worried, why not do this: why not state that the revenue from gas tax shall be $x adjusted annually for inflation, and have the DOR/DMV/EOEEA/whomever adjust the actual cents per gallon annually so that projected consumption results in that amount of revenue?  Given that gas stations change their prices once a week, changing the tax rate once per year is not a significant burden on the stations or the consumer.  If -- and it's a big if -- if the gas tax starts to creep upward in a way that makes politicians unhappy... if that happens then change the structure.  There's no reason to do it now because there's neither historical trend nor policy change that suggests this will be a future problem.

In the mean time, the gas tax does three things VMT can't, as I mentioned here and others have mentioned:

a.  The gas tax puts a premium on the environmental cost of burning fuel.  Use fee only charges for road use, not for the externalities of burning fuel.
b.  Large vehicles (SUVs, etc) damage the road significantly more than small vehicles.  Large vehicles tend to get worse MPG.  A road use charge doesn't charge the large vehicles more for the extra damage... the gas tax does (though not perfectly of course).
c.  Universal use fees really do run the risk of privacy invasions -- and even if I trust the current state administration, I don't trust future state or federal administrations with my transportation information.


Were I in on that interview, I'd have challenged Aloisi to justify the claim that gas tax revenue is unstable -- because all the data I have shows otherwise.


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I wasn't referreing to the... (0.00 / 0)
... variability from a gas tax revenue stream.  I (really Ezra) was referring to the volatility in price.  Granted that the tax itself isn't as volatile as the price, but the price's volatility makes the tax more visible and potentially irritating.  A stable tax on a stable commodity goes down with less fuss.  It's a psychology.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that things are difficult." - Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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I wasn't really asking you in particular... (6.00 / 1)
we've seen a number of folks hem and haw about how the revenue from gas taxes is unstable... but no journalist has responded with "Really?  Based on what numbers?".  If one did, these comments would come to a dead stop.

Which brings us back to VMT.  Why?  Some possibilities include:
* Irrational and non-scientific fear of sudden massive erosion of gas tax revenue (Charles Johnson)
* Interested in gov't surveillance and using this as a back door to it (George Orwell)
* Interested in lowering the tax paid by SUV and pickup drivers relative to that paid by small car owners (John Wayne)
* Interested in raising total revenue but not enough political will to be honest and just raise the gas tax (Niccolò Machiavelli)
* A good friend could make money being the state contractor for part of the service (Huey Long)


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VMT opt-in, like Fast Lane? (0.00 / 0)
Make it optional. If you have one, you get tax-free gas. If you don't have one, you pay the gas tax. Just like people who don't want Fast Lane can pay with cash. Would that bother anyone? Sounds good to me.

BMG: Reality-based commentary.

if you want everyone to have huge-ass SUVs and trucks (0.00 / 0)
that's a great idea.  

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With lights and mounted guns (6.00 / 1)
That's what I have, anyway. Can't be too careful.

BMG: Reality-based commentary.

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Yep! (0.00 / 0)
Discriminate against the disabled population again!Haven't you done enough to us yet?

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Well that would certainly simplify the tax system (0.00 / 0)
in order to discourage cheating.

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That would be a nightmare (0.00 / 0)
Bob
think about it you would need a separate organization to account of r one and then another to account for the other. God the size of Government growing mantra of the Republican wackos would be deafening. No I cannot see a one or the other and I would agree that we would truly set up a George Orwell 1984 big brother is watching. Can you see the first trial of a serial killer that used tracking info to verify his whereabouts at the time a crime was committed certainly the cry to use this info to convict such a monster will be deafening. On the other hand how about the individual who is having his every move watched and filed by the FBI because they feel he may or may not be committing a crime. How about a politician meeting with a constituent and instead it is suggested a sexual liaison occurred see who's to say how the data will or will not help or hurt but all could be a possibility.    

There is a broader issue that seems to be glossed over and that is out of state drivers. Unless VMT is universal in the US out of state trucks and cars may or may not have the system installed and then you will have a situation as you did in the trucking industry where companies register in states with the lower tax and the cheapest costs. VMT is not something we can institute as a state because of interstate travel so it should be off the table unless we are suggesting that the residents only pay for all roads and bridges.

Now I do have one issue I would like to raise that needs to be addressed and this goes back to the 70's what will occur to border communities and their gas stations when people can drive 5 miles out of the way and buy gas .19 cheaper and how do you deal with that issue. Added if you have a large commercial vehicle that can hold 80-100 gallons why would you buy in Massachusetts. I can remember the lines in Salem NH buying cigarettes and gasoline in years past because of price issues. Isn't this why we now have Massachusetts liquor stores open on Sunday more or less?

I agree with the Gasoline tax idea I agree with most of the earmarking of the funds, I would love a better explanation of the .1cent for gas and toll solutions portion this sounds like cash for a high priced consulting contract. I also would hope that the issue of border jumping would also be openly discussed before we are running to place a bandage on that issue after we fight this fight.

Last observations 55 please please, please revisit this issue this is a political killer! Early retirement for SS is 62 I am convinced that very few if any jobs in Massachusetts should be less then 62 not to mention as this economic downturn deepens we are cutting into the principle in our retirement system and we are grossly under funding them as a result, if the down turn is short lived the damage will be minimal if it is longer termed and we find losses are bigger then expected (hint) then we are crazy not to move forward with real reform on this issue. To fail to do so Doug and Mr. Governor you run the risk of fixing one system and leaving a mess for a latter generation to have to spend large sums to repair, worse case is you run the risk of creating a shadow state budget where you will be pouring money from the operational side into retiree payments not a good fiscal practice in a down turn revenue cycle. Please look back at the City and towns that had issues like this in the 80's many of the cuts then in local services were painful.

As Usual Just my Opinions

Ethics reform should be more then a dream!
Boycott AIG!Save the children's Future

Edward R. Quinn


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No comments ... (0.00 / 0)
on the fabulous video?

Buncha Philistines around here, I tell ya.

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i auditioned for jekyll and hyde once before (0.00 / 0)
butchered it. was told we could bring our own music, then the director pretty much demanded we sing music from the show - which I had never heard before and wasn't prepared for. Officially, it was one of the worst auditions of my life. Was sad, too, because my voice was perfect for the part. In hindsight, though, I'm glad I wasn't a part of a show where the director would more or less ask everyone to sing from the show in an audition when it was advertised to just bring a song. I still have nightmares stemming from shows in which I had to work with bad directors. Scary.  

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Loved it (0.00 / 0)
What I find remarkable is that in addition to his evident legal and managerial expertise, not to mention his proclivity for history, the Secretary actually has quite a good singing voice as well.

BMG: Reality-based commentary.

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Charley (0.00 / 0)
Here I thought this was just one of your audition tapes sneaking on to BMG. So not wanting to cast negative comments on BMG about another especially a founding member I was leaving it alone. But since you brought it up I was only aware of the Hasselhoff's version which is well not my choice of Opera bests. Since this is not you or Aloisi
I would give it 4.5 stars not to bad!  

LOL

As Usual Just my Opinions

Ethics reform should be more then a dream!
Boycott AIG!Save the children's Future

Edward R. Quinn


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Why do we have to bring the Middle East into every discussion! (0.00 / 0)
Based on archaeological evidence, one can see that the Philistines were an advanced culture, which had technological, military, and artistic superiority.

Source http://people.cornell.edu/page...

Maybe you should rephrase that a tad

As Usual Just my Opinions

Ethics reform should be more then a dream!
Boycott AIG!Save the children's Future

Edward R. Quinn


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Why don't Aloisi & Patrick do what we do? (4.00 / 1)
This VMT is a bunch of bullpoop. I'm sick and tired of
Duval Patrick trying to stiff us on every turn. Aloisi
is just as bad this SH** of raising the gas tax 19cents
is F'N SH**. I'm strugling along trying to put food on the table, afford gas for work, keep my house, pay for heat to keep the kids warm and these morons plain and simple keep sticking it to us. Well I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. It's time to flood the legislature with e-mail, call all the rep's and send these idiots a signal. We can't afford You freakin politicians anymore.
You don't get it..do you. By the time I pay to get to my job in Boston and back along with the other stuff, I can't
take my wife out to dinner, go on vacation, afford to outfit the kids for sports, pay for the dump sticker, the water bill, the sewer bill and every other d** fee they
have invented over the past years. So why don't Patrick
and Aloisi do what the rest of us do...trim the fat cut back on the frills. Live with the money they have and pay as you go. My health insurance went up again, my auto insurance. They are just as bad as wall street. they need to cut their pay, furlough and cut back their staff. I don't know anymore. I'm just ready to give up.    

Bob Henry/Cape

We are doing it (0.00 / 0)
I understand your frustration.  But the simple truth is, we are doing everything that you have asked.  The Turnpike has trimmed management and toll takers, saving $31 million.  The MBTA has saved $47 million by cutting overtime and reducing other overhead expenses.  The Governor's legisation calls for ending certain pension perks, bringing costs in line with the state system, slowing the growth of health care costs and reducing 300 positions.

The problem is, previous administrations sold us a false promise - we can have everything we need and don't have to pay for it.  Instead, they put the bill on a "credit card" for future generations to pay.  Well, that bill has come due, and Governor Patrick is trying to manage it responsibly and transparently.

We agree- reforms and effeciences must happen.  In fact, the Governor said in his announcement that he would not sign a gas tax increase without major reform to the way we do business.  But we can no longer avoid the problem, or pass it on to future generations.


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Reforms (0.00 / 0)
The Governor's legisation calls for ending certain pension perks, bringing costs in line with the state system, slowing the growth of health care costs and reducing 300 positions.

Mr. Baddour, elsewhere has said that the Legislature's Transportation Reform would result in no layoffs.

Here, you are careful to say it will reduce 300 "positions" as opposed to personnel.

Does the Governor's plan contemplate actual Government headcount reduction?


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Adding to the Unenolled is a bad policy... (0.00 / 0)
Adding to the downward spiral by increasing unemployment is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cutting positions and stream lining is good government at work.

It is a fine line to walk and there is no handbook on how to deal with such a dramatic downturn. I applaud the governor and his careful well thought out plans. This said I also appreciate the dialogue and the ability to have input into those policies he has allowed all members of the commonwealth to have. This lead us right back to a majority rule state. Certainly unlike the policy of the previous administration who believed in the Lord/serf model of governing.

I will agree I think there may be other ideas and comments out there worth considering, but todate only time will tell how many get tried there is no hand book out their for dealing with this kind of an economy.

Looking before you leap gary may be of great value in this economic time.

As Usual just my Opinions

Ethics reform should be more then a dream!
Boycott AIG!Save the children's Future

Edward R. Quinn


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Transparency (0.00 / 0)
I'm just trying to get to the 'tranparency' part of this plan: Mr. Baddour says no layoffs; Mr. Rubin say 300 fewer "positions".  

Are they saying the same thing, or not?


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2 plans (0.00 / 0)
There's a senate plan and the Governor's plan on the table.  Two plans.

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I am frustrated... but the state needs bold action (0.00 / 0)
Yeah...you guys got dealt a bad hand from prior administrations, coming home to roost now because of the economy. And almost everyone I know is badly affected. It is a time to think outside of the box.  I have watched towns build infrastructure with taxpayer money at an amazing rate. The first question to ask is what are the things that are absolutely essential.  It is time to go back to austerity and atrition. Downsize everything that does not contribute.  The amounts of money you cite as cutbacks aren't cuts they are "trims". When I bring a paycheck home,I can't go back to my employer and say hey, i'm running short I'm going to need another $200 a week. Guess what- he'll say sorry, i'll find someone who will do the job for what I pay. My only choice is to work and generate more by working more jobs...if you can get the work. Government needs to realize that people have reached the limit, and if you push the wrong buttons, there will be another tea party, not in the harbor, but on Beacon Hill.  

Bob Henry/Cape

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Previous "administrations" (0.00 / 0)
Sold us a false promise?

Bravo Sierra.

The General Court is controlled by which political party again?


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