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Specific cynics

by: Charley on the MTA

Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 16:56:36 PM EDT


As David mentioned, Andy's pissed:

Enough is enough.  My frustration has been growing for several weeks but the push to the edge began with Adam Reilly's baseless claim and came to a full crescendo with Brian McGrory's column (no one has risen to the challenge?  I don't know how you would describe a no name, no money candidate knocking off two extremely well positioned Dems to go into a general eleciton with a double digit lead other than rising to the challenge, but I digress).  What is it you ask that has me so angry?  Both Reilly and McGrory (and frankly every other over exposed political pundit from Jim Braude to Jon Keller to Frank Phillips) said that Deval was "too light on specifics."

Here is what kills me: neither McGrory nor Reilly offered any specifics on how Patrick is light on specifics.  Instead it just has become the punditries' (is that correct spelling?) standard line on Deval.  None, and I dare anyone to challenge me on this, none of the pundits have offered detailed explanations on how Patrick lacks specifics.  I will say that in a debate it isn't possible to boil down several pages of position papers into a nice turn of phrase for the press.  So I guess that means he is light on specifics because he chooses not to oversimplify.  What's worse is that if he did come up with the soundbites that sounded more explanatory then he would be chastised for being a soundbite candidate.  Hey Adam and Brian, go to the website and read until your eyes glaze over because Patrick has ideas and specifics (and no, it isn't some fluffy 50 point presentation, talk about weak on ideas!).

So again, count me with Andy and Lynne and David -- and everyone else who has heard Patrick speak in public, or actually read his proposals -- that this line of criticism is just bunk. Note to the media: A one-hour so-called "debate" with four candidates is not really the time to be listing a bunch of numbers that no one can follow anyway. Nor is a stump speech. The website's the thing to catch the conscience of Allison King [e.g.].

Furthermore, as David points out, Healey's plans are chockful of the most remote kind of fantasy; her tax cut alone is thought by the Mass. Taxpayers Foundation to be totally unrealistic, but never mind -- she's got plenty of new spending proposals, too. Patrick says we've got to economically grow our way into the revenues that will allow property tax relief and other spending. Maybe that's vague and hopeful, but it's a heck of a lot more realistic than simply stating 2-2=3. And lest we need a reminder, Patrick has been perfectly specific on what he'll do with the income tax: leave it where it is. And I'd love to hear someone question Healey about her doubtless oh-so-specific plans for, say, alternative energy. I believe in deep water turbines ... in some distant future, in a galaxy far, far, away ... Visualize it ... someday it could be ... Right. Well, how about the very specific Cape Wind project, ready to go? Oh gosh no, we can't do that.

Perhaps we should be good sports to Scot Lehigh when he complains that Patrick doesn't have a plan for reworking charter school financing. But don't you think Andy's challenge is a good one? Be specific yourself -- then come at him. Scot should propose a plan himself (or choose someone else's) and bounce it off Patrick. At the very least, Scot would find out if Patrick understands the issue in a useful way. But you can't just say "Tell me something about school funding" and expect a useful answer.

So, I can't help but think this is a case of "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished". Patrick has indeed been more specific on any number of issues, for longer than any other candidate. That's a major reason why we endorsed him: He's considerably more up-front with his ideas than any of the other candidates -- and indeed, that includes saying "I don't know" when he doesn't know. That he doesn't care to expound on the specifics in a one-hour debate or a stump speech doesn't lose me one wink of sleep.

But some in the media must think that since he's given us this much, he's gotta show all of his cards now. I don't think that's necessary, or even that important. He's made promises in general but ambitious terms, and if he wins, he'll be evaluated on how well he follows through.

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Nice Post (0.00 / 0)
And I think Brian McGrory shows yet again just what he is. There's media personages who actually go out and learn about the world (and do a damn fine job as journalists), and knowledge-less hacks like McGrory who sit in a room all day scheming up new ways to get attention for being "bold" and, unfortuntely for him, decisively wrong.

You note his ridiculous comments about Deval's "lack" of specifics, but I would also point out his idiocy commenting about Patrick's supposed "fundamentally bad judgment in the Ben LaGuer case". Oh yes, it's "fundamentally bad judgment" to actually point out serious flaws in the government's case against a single individual. I suppose McGrory's with Healey in that, really, EVERYONE who dares looking for truth through the legal system is showing "fundamentally bad judgement". Guess we should just take the government's word no matter what, right?

McGrory's a hack that gives journalism a bad name. It's too bad the Globe has decided to waste paper on his column.


People don't want specifics (0.00 / 0)
Sorry to say, I like specifics, but we're talking campaigns here and there's always a pie-in-the-sky element to a campaign. Chances are that the candidate will live to break their pledges once reality sets in, like GWB's no nation-building BS, or Romney proposing to change Massachusetts and make it an economic draw (how hard did he work on that one?)

I don't think we should necessarily let Mr. Patrick off the hook. Grace Ross was correct in pointing out that he had set himself up when he did not fully disclose his involvement. He allowed Healy to step in and work her magic; that said I think she's hit the wall. Running an anti-campaign will never get you elected. Having a bunch of people dressed as prisoners is a pox upon our dignity. It's not clever, it's just mean-spirited.

I think you can take some comfort knowing that they're not focusing n Muffy because they know the boat hastaken on water and it won't be too long before she calls in the Coast Guard.


Catch-22 (0.00 / 0)
It's a catch-22 and it should be ignored. I heard this complaint a few weeks ago from Republicans. The problem is that if we bite on the bait, we're hooked because as things go back and forth, people start paying attention. It's not effective for people who are very ardent supporters of Deval, but for those still on the line, their thought processes are going back and forth and we should not allow something as foolish as this to help them in their decision.

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Oops (0.00 / 0)
Oops, this was meant for the comment below which laid out some specifics.

[ Parent ]
Ten Deval specifics (0.00 / 0)
For Cape Wind
Against raising Charter School Cap
Pro MCAS graduation requirement
For same sex marriage
Against income tax rollback
Pro choice
Pro in-state tuition for resident but undocumented children
For implementing health care reform with employer mandate
For tieing local aid increases to smart growth progress
For rejoining the regional greenhouse gas initiative

C'mon people -- help me out here. I bet there's lots more I'm not thinking of.

What the hell do the thumbsucking pundits want him to do, publish his proposed FY08 line item budget? Who, in this governor's race or ever, has actually been more specific than Deval?

Hey David, Bob, and Charley -- how about a "Deval's specific stands" box on the fromt page to parallel the "Healey was for it before she was against it" box?
 


The Patrick Agenda (0.00 / 0)
I think we could put it in a way that reflects Patrick's positive agenda -- rather than criticism that he supposedly lacks one -- but we'll talk.

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[ Parent ]
So what exactly has Healey been specific about? (0.00 / 0)
Just saying you have a 50 point plan doesn't make you spacific.  I don't remember Mitt, Paul or Bill being "heavy" on specifics. 

It's much easier to be specific when you're against everything.


While I would agree... (5.00 / 1)
While I would agree that the media, Republicans, etc. are beating up on Deval unnecessarily over lack of specifics, it does us no good to act defensive like we are. If Deval has got more specifics than any prime time debate could handle in one sitting, then we should be spouting them off as much as possible, wherever possible, to whomever will listen. It's clear to me that Deval is the best candidate in this race by far and with the best campaign. But all of this does no good if we are allowing the other side to define his message and control how he is perceived. Anger, shock, and defensiveness will not make the elusive voter come to our side. Staying positive and promoting his message is the best thing we can do right now.

Past History (3.00 / 3)

I read about this clown in today's St Petersburg Times. It is mind boggling to me, why the Democratic Party would run this candidate.
The race thing wears pretty thin on me. There has to be someone equally as qualified that hasn't been a friend
to murderers, rapists and other undesirables.


Umm... right. (0.00 / 0)
The St. Petersburg Times, huh?  All due respect, but go back to Florida or Texas or wherever you're from.  We here in MA are quite capable of deciding who we want to govern this state.  But thanks for your interest.

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clowning around... (0.00 / 0)
Past History  (3.00 / 1)

I read about this clown in today's St Petersburg Times. It is mind boggling to me, why the Democratic Party would run this candidate.

The race thing wears pretty thin on me. There has to be someone equally as qualified that hasn't been a friend to murderers, rapists and other undesirables.

For undesirables to be adequately and properly defended means that the innocent are a thousand times more strongly defended. Or, did you not know that justice for the righteous derives cleanly, clearly and unwaveringly from our treatment of the unrighteous??

Do you not know that indiscriminate treatment of rapists, murders and other undesirables devalues innocence?

I'm going to assume that you are an innocent: that you have committed no crime and deserve no punishment.  I ask you, then, what separates you from those not innocent? What separates you from people who deserve punishment? By what mechanism do you escape an accusation of rape?  On whose say-so do you walk free this day, secure in your innocence, and  even arrogant in your purity?

The answer is Deval Patrick.

If not for Deval Patrick and the army of lawyers ready to do what he has done, I could drive today down to Florida and throw an ugly accusation of rape or murder in your face.  Sufficiently determined and  with you absent the skills of an attorney willing to be seen in the presence of the accused, I could see you in prison.  Your innocence, absent Deval Patricks strong stomach and stronger backbone, is of no help to you. What then, will save you?  Who then, will you call upon?

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[ Parent ]
Your registered specifically (0.00 / 0)
to make this comment?

Yikes.  Out-of-state and bereft of facts.  Bad combo. 

Hark!  What's that I hear?  Why, it's Katherine Harris calling you for some election advice.  Better get on that, stat!

 


[ Parent ]
Ah, yes. A comment about "quality" (0.00 / 0)
from the state that brought us Tom DeLay and C-Plus Augustus.

[ Parent ]
If Deval's reading of the law (0.00 / 0)
was good enough for Antonin Scalia, it's good enough for me.  Frankly, it's mind boggling that the Republican Party would run a candidate who would use race as the subtext to support her.

[ Parent ]
More specific cynics (0.00 / 0)
I wholeheartedly agree that with one exception, Deval has been specific on the issues and it's disingenuous of McGrory and the rest at the Globe and elswhere to insist he's fuzzy.  The exception has to do with taxes, and here McGrory et al are being even more disingenuous.

Everyone knows that income taxes would have to be raised in order to cut property taxes and pay for all the programs Massachusetts needs and that both Patrick and Healey have proposed. But other than Grace Ross, no one is going to say that. Patrick knows the race would be over if he said it.  So, he has to be vague on finances.  McGrory knows this and cynically castigates him for it.  But we all know that if any candidate were even to suggest the possibility of raising taxes in Massachusetts, they would never get elected.  So much for our state's liberal reputation.


Sorta... (0.00 / 0)
Everyone knows that income taxes would have to be raised in order to cut property taxes and pay for all the programs Massachusetts needs and that both Patrick and Healey have proposed. But other than Grace Ross, no one is going to say that. Patrick knows the race would be over if he said it.  So, he has to be vague on finances.

Property taxes do not, per se, have to be raised. Although such hikes are a possible -- maybe even probable -- outcome the subtext of nearly everything Deval Patrick says is that it is possible to grow our way out of the problem. 

Patricks platform is just thus: halt, then reverse the exodus of workers, jobs and companies, invest in infrastructure and put sane, workable fiscal policy in place.  That's the magic formula and it has worked before and can work again... even Arnold Schwarzenegger gets this...  Massachusetts, with its high-tech saturation is probably the easiest place to do this... In fact, I'd venture to guess that as soon as Mitt Romney's star flames out and he's no longer travelling the country bashing our state, or people no longer listen to him, our revenues go up a full coupla percentage points.  That's a buttload of money just for getting Governor Goodhair to shut up.

What's happened -- and what's so devilishly hard to orate your way out of -- is that through the combined Romney/Bush fiscal incompetence, the Healey bluster and a decade plus history of Republican indolence (state and federal), the voters, but most especially the journalists, insist on seeing the issue in zero-sum terms. It's true that Deval Patrick won't be able pay for the services at the present level of revenues.  But  that's not the choice: time and again we've seen energetic and engaged governors actively growing populations and economies. 

You can raise the taxes a tenth of a percentage point on one person and have 100.1 percent of the taxes next year... or you can import another person and have 200 percent of the taxes.

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--Stephen Colbert


[ Parent ]
I agree with you, sorta, (0.00 / 0)
but it still makes Patrick sound vague to say he's going to pay for these programs by growing the economy.

[ Parent ]
Deval does need to improve how he communicates his specifics (0.00 / 0)
Deval has not done a good job articulating his specifics in the areas where voters are watching and listening– commercials and debates. Yes he does a good job in his speeches and on his web site but almost all that go see Deval speak are going to vote for him anyway and I would bet precious few (outside of activists) go to the web site to learn his positions.

I think complaining about McGrory is akin to shooting the messenger and in any event the best way to show Deval has specifics is not to complain about Mcgrory’s lack of specifics about Deval's lack of specifics. The best way to disprove the lack of specific’s charge is to give specifics (Publius, you gave positions not specifics)

Here are a few specifics.

Here is money he can save:
1. Limiting Legislative Earmarks saving $100 million
2. Improving Detection of Medicaid Fraud saving $300 million.
3. Enforcing Wage and Hour Laws saving $150 Million
4. Leveraging government's buying power to help control Health Care costs $100 million.

Here is what he will do with the savings:
1. Restore local aid which will
  a. Put more police officers on the streets
  b. Put more fireman on the streets
  c. Better fund public education
  d. Lower the property taxes
2. Expand the circuit breaker for seniors

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