FYI: 2 Clinton Campaign Workers Being Held Hostage in NH

This is insane ... (0.00 / 0)

Has this wacko said why he's doing this?

Listening to Charlie Baker talk about fiscal responsibility is like getting lectured on abstinence from Paris Hilton - Tim Murray

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by: johnk @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:07:28 PM CST

we don't know. (0.00 / 0)

however, he has reportedly asked/demanded to speak to senator clinton.  the police is in communication with him.  i doubt we;'ll know any details until after it's over, for obvious security reasons.  

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:11:27 PM CST

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Thanks... (0.00 / 0)

Watching the live video now from your link....

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by: johnk @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:13:01 PM CST

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a responsible press (0.00 / 0)

i've been watching the internet feed from channel 9, and i'm pleased and reassured to see that the news station is respecting the need by the police that they don't give anything away.  for example, the news crew isn't showing street shots taht could show the hostage taker, should he be watching, where how police are deployed.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:15:19 PM CST

Read elsewhere (0.00 / 0)

that FOX has given stuff away.

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by: KBusch @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:27:49 PM CST

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but they're nat'l entertainment, not local news. (5.50 / 2)

need more be said?

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 14:31:27 PM CST

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Meanwhile (0.00 / 0)

The Obama office in the same strip mall has evacuated (reasonable, I guess).  The Edwards office several streets away, subject to no creditable threat, evacuated as well.  Take from that what you will.

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by: sabutai @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 15:48:36 PM CST

why do you say not a credible threat? (5.50 / 2)

they didn't know what kind of bomb, if any, he has/had strapped to himself.  They also didn't know if her was working alone or part of something bigger.  Police and other campaign offices would have been negligent, imo, if they did not evacuate.  Especially if the police asked them to.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 15:51:11 PM CST

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UPDATE 9 (0.00 / 0)

Channel 9 quoting a Boston station that 2 more hostages still remain in the Rochester, NH Clinton campaign office.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 16:20:24 PM CST

UPDATE 10 (0.00 / 0)

Another woman appears to have left the campaign office.  Whether she was also a hostage remains to be verified.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 16:46:56 PM CST

A great Fox News story. (4.00 / 1)

"...Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Channel nine says some troubled man strapped road flares to his body, got drunk and is now in the Clinton HQ slowly letting hostages walk away.  Is this high drama?  

The only drama I see is the media trying to work this into the biggest story since Pearl Harbor and the police trying to make it a bigger crime than the Valentine's Day Massacre.

Oh!, for the old days, when a policeman could walk in, tell the drunk it was time to go home and bring him out to the wagon.  I suppose the police will have to justify all the expense with a tab of blood.  Would that the police could wait until the fellow falls asleep and just carry him off to jail.

 

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by: Will Seer @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:06:05 PM CST

wow, are you cavalier with others' safety! (6.00 / 1)

don't you think the cops would have done what you suggest if they could be sure that the guy wouldn't hurt someone?  are you clairvoyant?  do you postulate that the cops are under contract with fox to create and exciting entertainment?  sheesh!  what tripe!

i don't know how fox might be portraying this, but imo NH channel 9 is doing a great job in simply reporting the situation.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:17:04 PM CST

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Ah, perspective... (3.00 / 1)

I haven't heard of too many road flare deaths lately.  No, not clairvoyant, but can figure out someone with a reading for understanding disability.

Honey, it is all show business out there.

Best wishes.  

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by: Will Seer @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:42:49 PM CST

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I share your sympathy, but.... (0.00 / 0)

...just to remind you, the cops didn't know what Herr Eisenberg had strapped to his body until they got him out of there.  Hindsight is 20-20.

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by: raj @ Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 06:58:31 AM CST

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UPDATE 11 (0.00 / 0)

Another person, a young man, appears to have jogged out of the Rochester, NH Clinton campaign headquarters.

Apparently the hostage taker has come out also, and is prostrate on the ground.  He is being arrested.  Looks like this is safely over.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:25:48 PM CST

Leland Eisenberg (0.00 / 0)

Channel 9 identifying the hostage taker as Leland Eisenberg.  He was supposed to have appeared in court today to face domestic violence charges leveled at him by his wife, who is reportedly divorcing him.  

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:29:08 PM CST

Faux News identified the perp as someone else! (5.00 / 1)

The stepson of one Troy Stanley said that his stepdad was the guy, and Faux ran with it.  Foster's Daily Democrat, the local paper, appears to have had the right ID first and has file pictures of him from other events (see below).

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by: DaveMB @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 18:18:36 PM CST

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It sounds like it's over (5.00 / 1)

Speculation:

It's reported that the hostage-taker's name is Leland Eisenberg. A "Leeland Eisenberg" (two e's) has been in trouble in Massachusetts.  Apparently this Leeland Eisenberg was trying to charge other inmates at MCI Bridgewater, which is a mental facility, a finder's fee for lawyer's referrals.

http://www.mass.gov/obcbbo/bd0...

Maybe a different guy, but how many Leland Eisenbergs are in MA & NH?

Let me get this straight: Democrats protest war, Republicans protest health care?

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by: tblade @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:32:38 PM CST

i wonder if that might explain (0.00 / 0)

why official cars from MA were involved.  i guess we;ll hear all about it at 11.

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:34:36 PM CST

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Article on Leeland Eisenberg from March 2007 with photo (6.00 / 2)

ROCHESTER - Police have stopped placing fliers in unlocked cars warning residents about motor vehicle thefts after one resident complained his constitutional rights were violated.

Leeland Eisenberg of Gonic is questioning the new police strategy that had officers checking for unlocked vehicles, opening the doors and placing fliers on the driver's seat urging residents to lock their doors.

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pb...

Let me get this straight: Democrats protest war, Republicans protest health care?

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by: tblade @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:38:49 PM CST

yep, same guy (0.00 / 0)

they're showing pics of on channel 9

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by: Laurel @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:43:27 PM CST

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Eisenberg's drunk-driving offense and Tucker Carlson (0.00 / 0)

Sigh. MSNBC had excellent coverage of it, but Tucker Carlson just said that the man could have released some steam by starting a blog.

Anyway, tblade, to follow you, in our thread we have some info on one of Eisenberg's past drunk-driving offenses:

http://bostonist.com/2007/11/3...

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by: boston_caroline @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 17:44:51 PM CST

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Expect the same non-coverage (0.00 / 0)

when they come for you for your dissenting opinions
HR 1955.

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by: Lasthorseman @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 20:32:30 PM CST

Has anyone noticed whether... (0.00 / 0)

...right wing media has tried to suggest that this was a sympathy stunt orchestrated by the Clinton campaign?  

I wouldn't put it past the right wing media to try to do so.

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by: raj @ Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:04:21 AM CST

not sure, but it is an opportunity for everyone (0.00 / 0)

to renew the discussion about the fact that since reagan, our country has turned many mentally ill people out onto the streets when instead many of them should be receiving treatment.  i hope the candidates use this as an opportunity to address the sorry state of community mental health care in this country.  especially with all the veterans returning from iraq and other places, we need to get serious about rejuvenating our mental health care system.

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by: Laurel @ Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 09:59:03 AM CST

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I actually do sympathize with your comment regarding... (0.00 / 0)

...deinstutionalization, but it really did begin long before Reagan.

Reagan had his faults (I could go on and on) but deinstitutionalization began before him.  I don't recall precisely, but a confluence of issues from the Nixon, Ford and Carter administrations, plus the federal courts (holding people against their will, without having been convicted of a crime).

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by: raj @ Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 10:59:31 AM CST

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Geraldo Rivera (0.00 / 0)

When he was actually a reporter did reporting on abuse of the mentally retarded at Willowbrook hospital in NYC.

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by: CentralMassDad @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 17:43:15 PM CST

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Laurel - in Mass., deinstitutionalization began with legislation passed in 1966. (0.00 / 0)

It accelerated in the Dukakis years.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 12:32:36 PM CST

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do you know (0.00 / 0)

what precipitated deinstitutionalization in MA? were the institutions thought to be doing more harm than good, or was it simply a budgetary thing?  or something else?

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by: Laurel @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 19:24:59 PM CST

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It was legislation. (0.00 / 0)

The Comprehensive Mental Health and Retardation Services Act of 1966, which allowed me to continue in public school with a waiver from the school committee.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 21:34:33 PM CST

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I'm sorry, but (0.00 / 0)

I don't understand your reply.  Are you saying that money was diverted to the schools from the mental health services budget?

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by: Laurel @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 22:19:53 PM CST

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Here's a timeline from Mass. DMR - (5.00 / 1)

1966     The Comprehensive Mental Health and Retardation Services Act called for the department to establish a comprehensive community-based program of mental health and mental retardation services including state hospitals,  state schools, clinics, comprehensive centers, and other facilities. This legislation mandated programmatic movement toward deinstitutionalization and the development of community mental health centers, following closely the federal Community Mental Health and Retardation Centers Act of 1963. The department was decentralized by dividing the Commonwealth into seven administrative regions each consisting of five to eight "catchment" or service areas with area directors and citizens advisory boards. Emphasis was thus shifted away from the large state mental hospitals. In addition to area boards, a thirty-member State Advisory Council on Mental Health and Retardation (more commonly known as the Advisory Council on Mental Health and Mental Retardation) was established to advise the commissioner of mental health on policy, program development, and departmental priorities.

1970     The Mental Health Reform Act, chapter 888, imposed limits on new admissions to state mental hospitals, encouraging the transition to a community-based system.

What the legislation did was allow those who would have been institutionalized automatically to remain in public schools with waivers.  But, it also failed to create those 'mandated' community centers for those now denied hospitalization, too.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 23:12:14 PM CST

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What you are describing sounds more like... (0.00 / 0)

..."mainstreaming" than deinstitutionalization.

As far a I can tell, "deinstitutionalization" is usually used to refer to what is pejoratively referred to as "throwing people out onto the streets" although it is far more complex than that.

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by: raj @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 07:13:48 AM CST

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It was refusing to allow new admisions which turned it into deinstitutionalization. (0.00 / 0)

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 09:08:16 AM CST

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federal factor (0.00 / 0)

this is a sad story you tell.  one of good intentions that went unimplemented.  however, there is the matter of federal funding also.  in short, it was cut most severely during under reagan's watch.  

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by: Laurel @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 10:24:51 AM CST

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Reagan's watch was 1970? (0.00 / 0)

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 11:50:06 AM CST

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i;m not going to (0.00 / 0)

entertain your apparently willful ignorance.  ronald reagan was not the first president to address mental health funding, but he was the most recent to have a real impact.  and for the worse.

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by: Laurel @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 12:32:11 PM CST

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Know what the only fallout from this is going to be? (0.00 / 0)

In future, it's going to be HELL trying to rent a storefront to be a political headquarters.  Because the next 'concerned voter' may really HAVE a bomb.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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by: Peter Porcupine @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 12:31:17 PM CST

Hillary's voice cracked with (5.00 / 2)

emotion whenever she mentioned her young campaign volunteers.  She does not usually betray much emotion and I thought her statement was touching,  

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by: cadmium @ Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 18:17:17 PM CST

It's the first time--as far as I can tell--that she actually sounded human (n/t) (0.00 / 0)

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by: raj @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 07:14:59 AM CST

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THat's been my impression too. She did sound (0.00 / 0)

really moved.  When she spoke she was her usual poised self - except when she mentioned her young workers.  That little sound bite moment raised her in my estimation much more than a statement on issues or policy.  They can lie about their stances on issues.  

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by: cadmium @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 15:33:25 PM CST

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